Why do amps sound different?


Hi folks, can anyone tell me why amps sound different? I know this is a very trivial question, but it isn't so trivial as I previously thought. For example: an amp can sound "warm", while the other can sound "lean" and a bit "cooler". These amps measure the same on the test bench, but why do they sound different? What causes the "warm" characteristic if the amp has pretty good measurements and frequency characteristics? It is certainly not measurable high frequency roll off, otherwise the amp sucks. Maybe one of the experts among us can elucidate this issue a bit. Thank you.

Chris
dazzdax
Amps all measure differently, except our measurements are actually poor even to this day of incredibly sensitive and accurate instrumentation. Why? It's really quite simple, if you know something about electronic instrumentation limitations.

What are the instruments we use to measure amps? Signal generators (sine and square wave), oscilloscopes for time domain, and precision audio band spectrum analyzers. A few systems are all digital and have many bits of precision to see noise and harmonic distortion and IM distortion to >140 dB dynamic range.

But is that enough to see it all? I will contend no, not a chance. For measuring time domain signals like square wave response, we have typically only 8-10 bits of resolution compared to about 20 bits of audible resolution in our hearing. Woefully inadequate to see what's going on in one small case, let alone a large number of cases of signals to observe in the time domain.

Spectrum analyzers can see more of what's going on, with greater dynamic range than most people's hearing. With one big caveat: it can only measure a repetitive waveform that is nonvarying over "infinite time", something no musical waveform ever produces. Sure there's the fourier transform that can show that waveform accurately in the time domain that the scopes cannot, but it only allows for non-dynamic conditions.

Granularity of a signal, dithering of a signal, and random events all caused by an amp, and those do happen all the time, are "averaged away" by the precision spectrum anaylzer, because it only zeros in on the repetitive waveform, and tends to ignore the non-repetitive pieces of it.

Even still, some harmonics and IMD signals are more damaging than other signals and we still are guessing how those varying combinations will make it sound. There are sonic signatures of distortion from minor parts that measure almost perfect, and how can we possibly hear that, swamped out by immense other distortions? I once asked a similar question: how much of the chemical that ruins a fine bottle of wine by making it taste "corked" is required? The answer: 5 parts per billion, or 0.0000005% distortion from that impurity. Other chemicals have much less impact, even if you add some vinegar, or sulphuric acid, or worse.

The only way to start examining the errors of the "perfect sound forever" CD was to have more than 16 bits and 44.1 Ksamples/sec. DVD-audio succeeded in that, by digitally recording dynamic musical waveforms at 24 bits and 192 Ksamples/sec and comparing that to the CD data. They are not perfectly equivalent. The moral of this story: Seeing real time signals out of amps to the extent humans can hear requires a very high sample rate and measurement width (bits resolution) and watching over some time period from a source signal that is not a simple repetitive waveform.

But how to really compare the differences that do show up? How do you really interpret it? Still, there remains only one way - listen to the results in the context of the whole system. All audio designers that fail to do this are being oversimple and too trusting in their limited measurements and ignorant of the true nature of those measurements.

I've worked for a leading test and measurement company as a test engineer for 24 years now, and I think I know what I'm talking about on that subject.

Kurt
Kurt, thanks for your input. A highly reputable Swiss manufacturer of audio amplifiers relies on the test bench results. According to this manufacturer a power amp should measure perfectly, until then it is flawed. When you do test bench measurements of this Swiss manufacturer's power amps, you will like to see excellent (almost textbook perfect) results. That's why they sound extremely good and better than 98% of all power amps.

Chris
These amps measure the same on the test bench, but why do they sound different?

They measure the same? What did you measure?
Kurt,

I like your wine example. In amplifiers, it is TIM, IMD and high order odd harmonics that can make it sound "corked" even if the distortion levels are extremely small - would you agree?

Perhaps there are other "contaminants" that in extremely small doses can affect the sound audibly...what "contaminants" do you look for?
Dazzdax,

That is still just one group of people's opinions. Transistor amps have always "measured better" than tube amps, as defined by standard bench tests devised by engineers. That is not sufficient to prove they are better, it's a belief that it proves it does.

Now this swiss amp has heavy competition from amps that measure much worse than perfect, for the title of best amp. It might well be in the top 2%, but one of the amps given title of best amp include Lamm's medium power zero NFB high distortion 6C33C low damping factor triode SET. How could that happen? Because it's still subjective.

I happen to own a battery powered Class T (form of Class D) amp from Red Wine Audio. I used to be devoted to tube amps, but this is better in many ways for a moderate cost amp driving medium sensitive speakers. It's as modern a design as there is for amps, and measures well and sounds excellent. It has less personality than tube amps, yet more transparency than most transistor class A or AB amps and most tube amps as well.

Since there is no perfect source and speakers, why should it be "correct" to own a perfect measuring SS amplifier? What if it processes the signal a little that offers the illusion of richer instrument harmonics that got bleached out in the recording process? This could be considered better, not defective.

Until source and speakers become perfect, I will never be pursuing the perfect "straight wire with gain" electronics to go with them. I will search the best complementary electronics to go with them, within my budget. A lot of that comes from my custom built tube preamp where the parts and circuitry were all selected for overall sound quality, not bench measurement perfection.

So where is the value in bench measurements for amps? Simple: factory quality control. An automated way to see if the completed product is within expected tolerances to ensure uniformity of them going out the door without the more expensive and impractical method of listening tests for all.

Kurt