"Budget" pre tube with SS power amp


I like the idea of have a tube pre amp with a ss power amp. But I know next to nothing about tubes. What are thing to keep in mind when looking for a tube pre that has to work with a SS power. I know some tube pre have an high Output impedance it this a concern? Some tube pre also have some slight DC output. For tube power amps as far as I know this is not a problem but for SS power amps this could spell major disaster as far as I know.

Some tube pre amps that come to mind are the:
Primaluna Prologue 3
Cayin SC-6LS
Melody SHW1688II
Manley Shrimp

The thing is I am looking for some of the tube magic but I don't want an overly warm bloated pre with last of nice fuzzy/warm mids but no low or high to speak of.

So any advise you have is welcome.
mordante
how about this list new or used

joule electra la100
mapletree
SAS
audio horizons
space tech
since you live in Europe, the thing I suggest you do is try a preamp within your budget with a name that sells easily, in case you will not be satisfied and will want to try another preamp. Go used. Find something like an Audio Research, BAT, Sonic Frontiers, Audio Note, Prima Luna, Manley, VTL, etc. Stick to names that sell. Unless of course you can audition at no cost. You don't wanna be stuck with a piece that will be tough to sell.
Good luck!
Manley Shrimp and VTL 2.2 are good options for used tube preamps.Also check the Cary preamps,they are in your price range and have remote control(not shure about phono stage). Cayin tube integrated have been received very well,may be you can go with one of those... PS. I,m listening to Tristania:Beyond the Veil: right now,very good album.Good luck.
I did the same thing. I'm fairly new to all this, and it's my first set up.... so this is For what it's worth.

I just saw Iron Maiden..btw.. awesome. And I have no trouble with Metallica. Much easier to listen to with a tube preamp. Off topic, but "Mobile Fidelity" just released an audiophile/tube remastered from analog tapes pressing of "Kill em'all" and "Ride the Lightning". Very exciting.

I was concerned about the same thing and went this route for the same reasons as you. So far so good.. voices sound very sweet/front and centre, projects right at you, and imaging 3D is much better, snare drum, double bass distinct. Listen to it all day, no stridency with the wailing guitars.

I'm sure you know all this, but with impedance matching, there is a general rule of 30 to 1..output impedance of preamp to input imp. of amp. Supposedly the higher the better. Not a deal breaker though with a mismatch. Supposedly you would just get high and low freq. roll off.

Although, my current preamp/DAC is 3K and I just paired it with the power section of my integrated that is only 20K (while I'm waiting for monoblocks with 100K imp). Complete/gross mismatch, but it sounds pretty darn good...

All the brands mentioned above are a definite step up from what I'd buy. They are very popular....but expensive.. I suppose you get what you pay for, but budget has dictated that I look for (a lack of a better term)... "giant killers".... with cables and power cords etc.. not to mention your front end.. gets expensive quick.

You might want to check out pure "class A" power amps. All the warmness of tubes, but solid state, a happy medium. Tons of slam and dynamics....supposedly.

Something like the Clayton amps (S40 or M200), they're expensive but hold their value. Huge power supplies.

For preamps, go to the audiogon review section and read up on the "TAD 150 signature".. a lot cheaper compared to the above mentioned ($800). With remote and phono stage. <1k output impedence, easy to pair with.

I have a Monarchy M24. It's a discrete designed (2 separate power supplies) tube DAC with a linestage. About $750. Read the Bound for Sound review of the M24 to get an idea (note: not the NM24):

http://www.monarchyaudio.com/

Clayton Class A power amps and Monarchy hybrid power amps:

http://www.boundforsound.com/reviews.htm#Clayton%20Audio

http://www.monarchyaudio.com/BFS_SE160.htm...

(not in production anymore, last month I called Monarchy and they had a European version they built for someone but never bought for !500/2K a pair).

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/frr.pl?rprea&1114874904&read&3&4&

(no longer in production, hard to come by..but they do show up used on audiogon)....

This might not be too helpful for 220v/used... but not bad reading. Take it easy.
ooops.. general rule of thumb is 10 to 1...input impedance of power amp to preamp. Supposedly 30 to 1 is ideal...

someone correct me if I"m wrong.

Also some tube pre's can be a little bit noisier than SS. That is, if you put your ear to the speakers without anything playing, there is sometimes a hissing... doesn't bother me too much. I don't think it affects the sonics...

And it's cheap and easy to switch premap tubes (no biasing) to tailor the sound you want, as compared to power amp tubes (again someone correct me if I'm wrong). Much longer life too.