Next upgrade, DartZeel or Ayre

Bar81, the reason I haven't borrowed the Ayre home is I am on oversea assignment and I did not bring my main system with me. Therefore even if my local dealer loan me the power amp, I won't be able to appreciate all of its strength in my current system.

That being said, I did visit my local dealer today hoping to hear both KX-R and MX-R. I wasn't that lucky, KX-R was out on loan and won't be back till 4 weeks later. I did hear MX-R in two different systems and one of them was very high resolution which consisted of Ayre CDP, Spectral 30, and Avalon ISIS. All I can say is the system sounded totally hi-fi to my ears. It did have great dynamic, great extension, great transparency, and great details, but it did not capture my soul, far from it.

Not sure if it was the Spectral or Avalon, but I suspected it was the Spectral more as I did hear Avalon ISIS driven by Hovland before with great emotion. I will return in a few weeks to hear the KX-R, but at this point I am not expecting miracle.

Semi, i have only heard the Ayre amps at shows and dealers; never in my system. they are very good. i don't really feel i can comment on exactly how they compare to the dart without some sort of head to head.

i do have lots of experience with the darTZeel in my room on Kharmas, Von Schweikerts, and now the Evolution MM3's. my previous amps were the Tenor OTL and Tenor hybrids. the darTZeel were the first solid state amp i heard that did not sound anything like solid state; and seem to have a sense of that tube-like 'breath of life' that the Tenors had; but with the linearity of solid state. the darts also have a micro-dynamic life which is alive sounding. yes; they also do bass slam and exceptional bass articulation assuming your speakers are reasonable loads. one area where tube lovers are typically very sensitive is how tubes do the high frequencies. the dart is very sweet in the highs and yet has more extension. one thing that stood out to me was the extremely low noise floor of the dart.

if you read the white paper on the dart website you will get a better idea on Herve's approach to using no global negative feedback and the use of very few output devices. also; the dart has an ability to turn off DC offset for even more transparency. it is no accident the dart is such a natural sounding 'sweet' solid state amp.

i have lots of visitors to my room, many of which are tube lovers. most of these people comment on how 'non-solid state' that the darts sound. they don't miss tubes in my system.

there is no one perfect amp for everyone and every system context. i have heard many excellent solid state amps.

OTOH i prefer the darTZeel to any amp i have heard and there are no solid state amps that would be alternatives for me in my system. my next choices would be the new Tenor Hybrids, maybe the Lamm ML2.1's, or maybe the AN Kegon's......anyway, you get the idea.

regarding the dart pre; it's in the very top class of preamps and i love it. the phono stage is as good as i have heard. i love the way it works and it's flexibility. the proprietary 'zeel' internnects between the dart pre and amp are very inexpensive and are equal or better to the very best interconnects. battery power, as done by darTZeel, is ideal for a preamp.

overall; darTZeel fit and finish is as good as it gets.

good luck with your choice.

Semi,

The Ayre CDP was also likely problematic. ime, the Ayre digital gear renders music without a soul. Also, the KX-R is really the linchpin (as is the preamp in most systems ime); what you want comes only with the KX-R in the system.

Several other points:

(1) You really shouldn't be making a final decision about gear at the dealer. I never buy anything I can't audition at home (except for speakers as that's difficult but I do make sure to hear the speakers using gear I know intimately).

(2) There's no substitute for power in terms of bass control unless the woofers are powered.

(3) ime, there is no better company in terms of support than Ayre. Not to mention the fact that they support their components forever (it's been like 7+ years for the predecessor to the KX-R, the K-1).

(4) imo, it's always nice when components look as beautiful as they sound; the Ayre reference gear can be proudly displayed anywhere.

(5) Note that Mike is using a system almost fully comprised of gear that comes from one dealer that has I'm sure made sure the voicing is ideal. Also, as I understand it, the woofers in his speakers are powered (see (2) above).

btw, I know of very few dealers that deal in Avalon, Spectral and Ayre. Are you in Singapore?

The dartzeel combination is magical. I resisted for many years to purchase the dartzeel preamp to mate with the dartzeel amplifier because of $$$$ but finally relented.

Its so natural, relaxed, yet transparent and detailed. I think it probably gives you almost all the benefits of tubes without the negatives!

I highly recommend the dartzeel especially for those with speakers that have powered woofers.

the other thing about dartzeel that is truly wonderful is you get to deal with a total knowledgable friendly class act like jonathan tinn at chambers audio. Many people claim to want to be your dealer for life but he is the only one who has truly come through in spades. A dealer as a friend.....now that is a rare concept!!!

I have not heard the ayre combination so cannot say one is better than the other. In any event, each person's subjective taste in what they prefer, what they listen to, the speakers, and the nature of their listening room will likely dictate your ultimate happiness.

good luck

Michael

Bar 81,

i took no offense and don't think you intended offense by your comment;

5) Note that Mike is using a system almost fully comprised of gear that comes from one dealer that has I'm sure made sure the voicing is ideal.

OTOH your comment does infer that somehow the source of my gear means there is a need to combine my specific combination of gear to get my results from the dart amp and pre. i don't think there is any evidence to support that meaning. unless somehow my dealer sells the only gear that is musically accurate and natural sounding.

of course; there are many choices of gear which would compliment the darTZeel products and result in the same type perceptions i have written. any natural sounding speaker with a reasonable efficiency and impedence will sound exceptional with the darTZeel.....or let's say it will sound better on the darTZeel than most if not all other amps i have heard. the same with sources and so on.