audio research vt 200 mk II vs the vt 200


HI, I AM NEW TO AUDIOGON, SO PLEASE BARE WITH ME.I RECENTLY PURCHASED A USED ARC REF 2 MKII. PREAMP. I AUDITIONED IT WITH A SET OF ARC REF 210'S. THE SOUND WAS FANTASTIC. WHEN I GOT HOME I INSERTED THE REF 2 MK II INTO IT,S NEW HOME ON MY AUDIO RACK. I TURNED THE SYSTEM ON TO HEAT UP BEFORE SETTLING INTO WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE MUSICAL BLISS ,BUT THE MAGIC WAS GONE. MY PRESENT AMP IS SOLID STATE .THE MARK LEVENSON 332.IT SOUNDS OK, BUT A SMALLER SOUND STAGE. ANY WAY, MY QUESTIONS ARE (1), WHICH AMP IS THE MOST RELIABLE, THE VT 200, OR THE VT 200 MK II. AND (2)HOW DOES THE REF 2 MK II, SOUND PAIRED WITH THESE AMPS. I WOULD LIKE TO RECAPTURE THAT SOUND I HEARD WHEN I AUDITIONED THE REF 2MK II . THE NEW ARC REF AMPS ARE NOT AN OPTION, DUE TO PRICE. PLEASE HELP !!
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Hi Laurent, thanks for your response.I won't go near a Ref 3, because after all the positive feed back Ive read on it,I know , if I gave it a listen, the farm would be in jeopardy. But in the mean time , I believe that maybe ,what the JFET'S, and 6H30 tube combo did for the LS 25 MKII, AND THE Ref 2 MKII's sound ,may very well have trickeled down to the VT 200MK II, OR VISE VERSA.After considering what LOUIS, had to say about the VT 100 MK II, and your input on the VT 200 ,My choice would sway toward the VT200. BECAUSE I NEED THE 200 WATTS To drive My Vandersteen 3A'S. Does any one out there in Audiogon land, have any comments on the ARC VT 200 MK II, pro or con?? Mean while I'LL continue to listen to THE solid state AMP.A good amp, but ( no magic) sounds cold, and thin at the top. I can only spend the money once. I'LL be waiting!! Thanks again for your time, and response. All the best,
The comparison of the VT100 mk1 to the mk2 is not really a valid comparison. The real comparison would be a mk2 to a mk3, due to the similar circuitry of a VT200 mk2 to a VT100 mk3. Both these amps use jfet inputs, 6H30 tubes, and do not involve biasing the input tubes. The original VT200 is similar in design to the VT100 mk2, using 6922's, with a fairly complex bias process. I have owned the VT100 mk 2 and 3, and a VT 200 (original version), and now a Ref 110. In the VT 100's, I found the mk3 to more detailed, much easier to operate regarding bias setting, and generally a better amp. The original VT200 tromps them both very soundly with a HUGE soundstage, and limitless power. I would be happy with that, but the Vt200 mk2 would again be simpler, trouble free really regarding bias setting, and I am sure would sound spectacular. For the prices some are asking for them, they are a tremendous bargain, both the mk1 and 2. There is a mk1 available now here for $2650 or so. Not much could touch it at that price. I would recommend confirming ARC tubes are in the unit. I have tried retubing from tube sellers with very bad results, which had me sending in my amp for repair to ARC, not cheap for shipment.
I have listened to lots of ARC amps and preamps; in my opinion the VT200 is one of the all-time best values in ARCs amp history. At $3k or less for a unit in 8 or 9 condition it is a great amp. The VT200 has authoritative low end - deep and tight; it has open and airy midrange and highs; great definition throughout but not analytic; it has excellent imaging. I can't say for sure, but I bet it is more musical than the VT200 MkII. If you buy a VT200 for 3k or less in good shape you should be able to get virtually all of your investment back if you don't like it, but it would be hard to imagine not enjoying how this amp sounds. It is heavy and will put out some heat and it will take up some space - it ships in a very manageable carton - but hopefully you won't have to ship it anywhere too often. If you can manage the size, heat, etc. you will like the VT200, I predict.
I have a VT 200 MkII and cannot fault it other than the heat it produces (only a problem in the summer in SoCal) and the aforementioned cooling fan noise if you sit within 10 feet of it (I have not tried switching it to low speed either). It is an incredible amp. On hand I have an extensively modified McCormack DNA-1 modified by the builder himself and a pair of Manley 300B/SE/PP monoblocks so I can compare it to some pretty good sounding gear. The fan is not at all intrusive, but in a very quiet listening room, you will hear it between tracks.

The MkII is a "faster" amp than the MkI sounding cleaner and affording more detail because of it. There is better attack and cleaner transients. The cost of upgrading a MkI to a MkII is pretty steep and costs alot more than the price difference between the two amps on the used market.
Hi,thanks to all my AUDIOGON responders.Thanks to Dbarger, for the clarification of model # in the comparisons between the VT100 series, and the VT200 series. HI_hifi, thanks for your vote of confidence in the vt200. Sjsanders,Thankyou, for your first hand knowledge and feedback on the VT200 MKII. I have a question.
Does the VT200 MKII sound bright in any way due to jfets
used at the front end, or is it smooth sounding , due to
the out put tubes? Thanks again, for the much needed feed back.
JION