Hello Atmasphere,
In our opinion, you have taken our statements out of context. Please understand our comments here with regards to Live Vibe Technology™ and the information regarding Star Sound products is assumed that our technology is in place inside the equipment, below the equipment, adapted to musical instruments and/or building structural frameworks.
Therefore in response to your information listed on 07-20-15 we wish to assert the following:
Energy caused from vibration cannot be eliminated - physics 101.
“The technology of points and vibration absorption materials is not going to go away” - and we agree. Live-Vibe Technology uses Audio Points™ as the initial point of contact with equipment and flooring however we do not employ absorption materials in our innovations other than brass and steel. Brasses and steels too have damping (absorptive) factors.
“A proper stand and platform design can be proven effective” - and we totally concur however we do Not agree with your comment “proven effective for the past 6 decades”. If you are implying ‘sixty years’ of vibration management in audio;
To the best of our knowledge:
Audio Points was the second ever conical shaped product in the audio marketplace and began selling in 1988. Tip Toes was the first and began selling in late 1987. In the mid 1990’s audio racking was still largely referred to as furniture. We can trace the first absorption stands using sand, lead and rubber based systems from companies such as Zoethecus and Bright Star along with the first mechanical grounding racks from RoomTune and Sound Anchors to the early 90’s. The Sistrum Platforms™ release was in 2000 and was the first audio racking system marketed bearing the name recognition as a “platform”.
My father was an audiophile. As a teenager I spent a lot of time with him at Bell Laboratories whose engineers were also avid audiophiles. They took Fisher amplifiers to another level of performance , built their own electronics designs, modified the best Garrard had to offer, constructed their own speaker systems, tuned up Fisher reverb tanks for stereo systems but never did they mention or quantify anything on vibration control. This was the 60’s.
In the early 70’s Mr. Dick Boak of the C.F.Martin & Company (guitars) built a couple equipment racks out of exotic woods for a few friends. We knew our gear sounded a bit better on the more rigid build and different woods but never understood why and could not come up with any information or knew anything about vibration control as a topic for increasing equipment performance. I have owned McIntosh, Dynaco, Acoustic Research, and Sansui during the same time period and could not locate any mentions of vibration control in any of their owner’s manuals.
Employed as a sound engineer and spending over a dozen years in the music business - vibration was only ever discussed and/or addressed in recording studios as a minor topic when studying acoustic surroundings, microphone stands and record mastering but again it was never perceived as a principle science for improving sound quality.
During Star Sound’s inception period some sixteen years ago, our group of engineers spent hours researching vibration control in consumer audio and professional sound industries and found very little information. Agreed historically there were many uses and approaches to controlling vibration outside the audio sector but again very little written, little understood in what has become a highly subjective and sensitive subject here on AudioGon.
Our primary purpose participating in this forum is to learn, gather knowledge, provide information but more importantly listen to people who experiment in sound. We cannot afford the time for debates targeting “ours is better than theirs” arguments. Star Sound is presenting a newfound technical approach to vibration management and admits we do not have all the answers.
Our technology has gone full cycle in audio related fields. We have listener accepted products and prototypes in use - both inside and underneath electronics and loudspeakers, musical instruments and structural sound room environments. Live-Vibe Technology™ is currently undergoing third party testing by a licensed UL® approved laboratory in order to quantify this proprietary vibration management science. Additional acoustic testing will be provided by two privately owned recording studios adding more data to compare with the laboratory profiles.
In closing Atmasphere, we have never stated vibration does not make a difference in performance so please do not turn around and run in the other direction. We have products available that will greatly improve the sound of your string bass as well. You are always welcome to telephone us anytime.
Robert Maicks
Star Sound Technologies, LLC
In our opinion, you have taken our statements out of context. Please understand our comments here with regards to Live Vibe Technology™ and the information regarding Star Sound products is assumed that our technology is in place inside the equipment, below the equipment, adapted to musical instruments and/or building structural frameworks.
Therefore in response to your information listed on 07-20-15 we wish to assert the following:
Energy caused from vibration cannot be eliminated - physics 101.
“The technology of points and vibration absorption materials is not going to go away” - and we agree. Live-Vibe Technology uses Audio Points™ as the initial point of contact with equipment and flooring however we do not employ absorption materials in our innovations other than brass and steel. Brasses and steels too have damping (absorptive) factors.
“A proper stand and platform design can be proven effective” - and we totally concur however we do Not agree with your comment “proven effective for the past 6 decades”. If you are implying ‘sixty years’ of vibration management in audio;
To the best of our knowledge:
Audio Points was the second ever conical shaped product in the audio marketplace and began selling in 1988. Tip Toes was the first and began selling in late 1987. In the mid 1990’s audio racking was still largely referred to as furniture. We can trace the first absorption stands using sand, lead and rubber based systems from companies such as Zoethecus and Bright Star along with the first mechanical grounding racks from RoomTune and Sound Anchors to the early 90’s. The Sistrum Platforms™ release was in 2000 and was the first audio racking system marketed bearing the name recognition as a “platform”.
My father was an audiophile. As a teenager I spent a lot of time with him at Bell Laboratories whose engineers were also avid audiophiles. They took Fisher amplifiers to another level of performance , built their own electronics designs, modified the best Garrard had to offer, constructed their own speaker systems, tuned up Fisher reverb tanks for stereo systems but never did they mention or quantify anything on vibration control. This was the 60’s.
In the early 70’s Mr. Dick Boak of the C.F.Martin & Company (guitars) built a couple equipment racks out of exotic woods for a few friends. We knew our gear sounded a bit better on the more rigid build and different woods but never understood why and could not come up with any information or knew anything about vibration control as a topic for increasing equipment performance. I have owned McIntosh, Dynaco, Acoustic Research, and Sansui during the same time period and could not locate any mentions of vibration control in any of their owner’s manuals.
Employed as a sound engineer and spending over a dozen years in the music business - vibration was only ever discussed and/or addressed in recording studios as a minor topic when studying acoustic surroundings, microphone stands and record mastering but again it was never perceived as a principle science for improving sound quality.
During Star Sound’s inception period some sixteen years ago, our group of engineers spent hours researching vibration control in consumer audio and professional sound industries and found very little information. Agreed historically there were many uses and approaches to controlling vibration outside the audio sector but again very little written, little understood in what has become a highly subjective and sensitive subject here on AudioGon.
Our primary purpose participating in this forum is to learn, gather knowledge, provide information but more importantly listen to people who experiment in sound. We cannot afford the time for debates targeting “ours is better than theirs” arguments. Star Sound is presenting a newfound technical approach to vibration management and admits we do not have all the answers.
Our technology has gone full cycle in audio related fields. We have listener accepted products and prototypes in use - both inside and underneath electronics and loudspeakers, musical instruments and structural sound room environments. Live-Vibe Technology™ is currently undergoing third party testing by a licensed UL® approved laboratory in order to quantify this proprietary vibration management science. Additional acoustic testing will be provided by two privately owned recording studios adding more data to compare with the laboratory profiles.
In closing Atmasphere, we have never stated vibration does not make a difference in performance so please do not turn around and run in the other direction. We have products available that will greatly improve the sound of your string bass as well. You are always welcome to telephone us anytime.
Robert Maicks
Star Sound Technologies, LLC