ARC Ref 75 vs. Ref 75 SE


Has anyone had the opportunity to compare the ARC Ref 75 with the new Ref 75 SE?
hkaye
Don c55 ... No question about it ... Pass Labs gear has a great reputation. And I am glad that you are enjoying your Pass Labs amp.

But let's put your comments into a little perspective. The D125 was introduced in 1988 and discontinued in 1991. My goodness, it's been almost 25 years since the amp was discontinued!! There's been a lot of water under the bridge since the D125 was on the scene.

As I already mentioned, I've owned 3 and a half ARC amps in the last 10 years or so: VS-110, VS-115; Ref 150; and Ref 150 with SE factory upgrade. NEVER had a flame out. Burned bias resisters ... yes. Massive circuit failures ... never.

Btw, I also own other ARC gear: Ref 5 SE (linestage); CD-8 (CD player);and PH-8 (phono pre). Never had a burned tube problem, flame out or any other problem for that matter.

I think most of the crabbing in this thread goes to the inherent nature of tubes ... they arc from time to time. No getting around that. Of course, the other point is that ARC does not use bias circuit breakers. If it did, it would be a simple matter to push a button and you're back in business. Voila.

I surmise that cost cutting is not the issue here. Jeez, the Ref 150 SE lists for $14K. How much could little circuit breakers cost?? Either Kal or Len of ARC told me many years ago that the reason ARC use bias resisters was to minimize artifacts in the signal path. I'm not a EE, so I can't speak to the pros or cons of that choice.

Heck, if I knew my way around solder and a soldering iron, I'd replace the darn resisters myself. Just afraid of messing up my amp.

As I posted above, if after auditioning amps, one chooses another brand because it sounds better, then what can I say?? Or, if having to replace tubes or, on the rare occasional, having to hire a tech to fix a burned bias resister is too much hassle, then an ARC tube amp is not the amp of choice. Personally, I'm ok with ARC amps and other tube gear.
Bifwynne

ARC's service center is a profit center.

I have been to the factory, and the service team is large for a company of 80 employees.

The D125, although built around 1989, was touted as a reliability breakthrough, due to the addition of an LED on each tube, indicating a weak one, for replacement before failure. That was the only ARC amp ever made with that feature. Tubes can short at any time, especially near the end of life, with no warning. They later added timers to prevent owners from running tubes to failure.

I repeat: What other tube manufacturer has parts failure when tubes fail? It is poor design, and a lot of ARC customer do not care. Many give up on ARC in the long run. The internet forums are full of those stories!
Bifwynne: Why are you in every ARC post?

You are like Stringbean and VPI!

WE know you are a ARC cheerleader!
Don ... as I said in my posts, I've gone through a lot of ARC gear (linestages/pre; amps; CDPs; phone pre's) over the last 10+ years ...always moving up the line. From a consumer's perspective, I think I'm on solid ground about what I post because I have been there and done it with a lot of ARC gear.

Don, you may also notice that I do not shoot off my mouth about stuff that I have no hands on experience. I don't recall ever pissing on gear that I have never owned or auditioned.

If I catch an ARC thread and have something to add, I do. Likewise, if I catch an ARC thread that makes unfair, irrelevant, nonsensical, and exaggerated comments, I will also speak up ... just like I did here. IMO, ARC gear is worth auditioning. Underserved pejorative comments damage the reputation of a good company.

Sorry if I irritated you. And btw, Stan (Stringreen) knows a lot about VPI products. Folks in the market for a TT who are thinking about VPI would do well to read Stan's posts.

Have a great day.

BIF
Bifwynne

I have owned, and heard, ARC equipment for 40 years.

In the last 10 years ARC has changed the sound, since Johnson passed.

The older ARC gear has fans that do not like the current, over over the "Golden Oldies".

ARC now uses caps that take an absurd time to "form", and sound lean, and SS, compared to their older gear, IMO.

Have a good day!