Preamp gain question


I am unable to turn up my CJ PV 10 pre amp up past 9 o"clock. Could the gain be lowered by using different tubes? I have considered using rca attenuators which are advertised to take it down by 10db but I am not sure if this is the way to go.
Also, I am using a Goldring 1042 mm cart (6.5mV output) Would going to a lo mc cart allow me to utilize more of the preamp gain control?

I guess I am trying to find out where my mismatch is occuring.

Everything sounds great but I have no control over low volumes.
zenblaster
Find out what the 'taper' of the pot IS.
Not all provide the same attenuation for the same amount of rotation.
The 2 types are 'linear' and 'logrithmic'(sp). Both start and end at the same place....say 10Kaohms to effectively 0, but have different ways of getting there.
You may get more resolution by going from a linear taper to log taper.
Magfan...All volume control pots these days are log taper. Linear would give ridiculous results. Actually, Log taper is a poor substitute for Audio taper which was used in the good old days. Evidently the low demand for Audio taper pots caused manufacturers to discontinue them.
Ouch! 80db of gain in the preamp, with a 6.5mv cartridge. I wonder if 10db attenuators will be enough to get the volume control into the optimal part of its range, where resolution is good, and perhaps even into the part of its range over which it can maintain channel balance accurately as volume is changed.

80db means a voltage gain of 10,000, so that if the cartridge is putting out 6.5mv (at 5cm/sec@1kHz, if I remember correctly what the conditions are at which cartridge outputs are normally specified), the preamp output with the volume control at max would be 65 volts!

Maybe 20db attenuation would be more appropriate. And I'd also suggest checking the specs on the preamp, particularly its maximum rated output voltage, to be sure it is really suitable for such a high output cartridge. My concern would be that with the volume control set say in the middle of its range, at 12 o'clock, that high amplitude signals would get clipped before they even reach the attenuators.

Regards,
-- Al
Thanks you all for your input. It looks like the consensus is to try the attenuators, for under $100- it is reasonable.

everything sounds great but I can't help but think it will sound that much better if I can get into the sweet spot of the preamp rather than playing around at the bottom of the gain control.

Photon46- what would be an ideal amp/preamp gain be? Are you saying that they should be more closely matched?

The gain thru the digital front end is the same as thru the analog

Newbee- I will certainly wait on the new cartridge.

Al- Ill start with the 10db attenuators and go from there.

Again,
Thank you all
Photon46- what would be an ideal amp/preamp gain be? Are you saying that they should be more closely matched?

I think he's just saying that the overall system gain of 110db in phono mode is simply too high, particularly for a high output cartridge such as you have.

What is meant by a better match is that a very high gain preamp should be mated with a relatively low gain power amp, or vice versa, so that the overall gain doesn't become too high in relation to the cartridge output.

Hopefully the attenuators will accomplish that, although as I said it is conceivable to me that 10db will not be enough attenuation to be satisfactory. And it is conceivable to me that you will still be limited in how far you can turn up the volume control by how much voltage the output stage of the preamp can swing, which would not be helped by the attenuators because the attenuators would be connected "after" that point (further downstream, so to speak). I'm not familiar with that preamp, but the spec on output voltage range might give some feel for that.

Regards,
-- Al