Wattage 4 or 8 ohms?

so after reading everyones comments "I" believe maybe i should up my power because "I" believe that maybe just maybe my Thiels will open up a bit more if I do 200 watts into 8 ohms. But thats also under the theory that in order to hear a difference I would need to double my current output, view my systems and you will see what i am talking about or in other words.

the followings numbers "wattage" are the points of difference:

50 100 200 400 800 - basically oh i have 100, oh i have 150 so then that means i am louder is that true, i believe not, i believe the next level of DB improvement would be 200 for the example given. Is that correct or no?

The difference between the power out put between 100 and 200 wts, everything else being equal, is 3db. If that is the threshold where you and distinguish clear differences in SPL's then you are correct. But if you have the ability to discern smaller changes (and I think most do - some even claim to her differences as small as .5db) then your conclusion wouldn't work. You might see how manufacturers treat this issue by looking at the different gradiations they use in the steps in the attenuators. Some use 1db, some 2db, and some use gradual decreasing step sizes as you 'apply more my volume'.

So everything else being equal, the difference between 100 watts and 200 watts is a mere 3db increase in SPLs. When you are listening to your system with the volume turned up, and your max'ing out your systems (including your room) ability to produce coherrent sound, a 3db increase in SPL may be relatively inaudible.

If you haven't already done so, buy a SPL meter and see what average/peak levels you listen to in your room and do the math. But don't be surprised when you find that with even moderately efficient speakers, that you rarely, if ever, exceed say 20wts, and even then only on peaks. And if you do, consider that if you are listening to music at that level it may not be a problem for long.

Nothing wrong with 'powering up' but the price go's up as well and its a lot to pay for something you may not need.

Those peaks increase exponentialy, and to do it cleanly might require a significant increase in watts. The extra power might not be required that often, but, we are talking about the "high end" here, with it's implication of the pursuit the total musical experience.

Not being entirely sure by what is meant by 'peaks increasing expotentially' and for the benefit of others facing a decision about how much power is needed, consider this as a rough guide.

Assuming you anticipate that the average sound pressure level of your music will have peaks 15db higher than the average SPL, not an unreasonable assumption, I think (nor is it absolute), if you are listening to pop, jazz, & classical music.
Assume your speakers have an efficiency of 86db's.

Assume you have a meduim sized room where I think an 85db SPL would be considered by most to be fairly loud but still within the ability of the room to respond without overloading. The following watts would be needed to producte the indicated SPL. This little chart contains no consideration of current needs, impedence values etc.

1 wt - 86db
2 wt - 89 db
4 4t - 92 db
8 wt - 95 db
16 wt - 98 db
32 wt - 101 db
64 wt - 104 db
128 wt - 107 db
256 wt - 110 db
512 wt - 113 db
1024 wt - 116 db

IF, and only IF, you found my 85db average SPL reasonable, and you add 15 db to that, you would only need 32wts. Now if you want 3 or even 6 dbs of headroom you would need no more that 60 or 120 wts (BTW all numbers are rough/rounded and meant for illustration).

FWIW.

I've got no argument with you'r table. One can easily see that there is quite an increase in power from 86dB to 104dB. IMHO, and this might be more so with ss than tubes, that one would probably be better off staying away from an amplifiers ceiling of power delivery to keep the sound as clean as possible. One way to accomplish that is to have extra power at hand.