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This is my first posting! This seems a great place where a lot of audiophile knowledge is available ;-)

I’m in search for a great musical integrated amplifier and matching cd-player (same manufacturer) for my B&W Signature 805 speakers.
I mostly listen to pop, rock, 60s, blues, (no classical)
I’m looking for a musical pairing, slighty warm sound, not too analytical or cold sounding.
I want to listen for hours, so I’m looking for great mids and the highs have to be sweet (no harshness, or sharp s-sounds). Not too laid back either. With the very detailed nautilus-tweeter I don’t want an overdetailed and sharp sound, so the amp and cd shouldn’t be too analytical, and should be a little forgiven for bad (sharp) recordings.

Following models caught my attention:

1. SUGDEN A21SE and CD21SE
2 * 30 W class A amp. I’m wondering if this amp is going to drive my 805 with ease, as it is rather low powered? Is this pairing good for Rock music?

2. ELECTROCOMPANIET ECI 5 and ECC1
2 * 120 W (8 Ohm), 2 * 200 W (4 Ohm) and 2 * 350 (2 Ohm) transistor amp.
Electrocompaniet has a great reputation for building superb amps. I’m wondering if this rather new amp and cd-player is that good in their price range as their reference EMC 1/Up Cd player and NEMO class A amps, which where built to drive the B&W Nautilus.

3. NAIM SUPERNAIT and CD 5X.
Naim PraT should have enough drive for my speakers, but I’m worried that its drive will cause listening fatigue....

4. ACCUPHASE E213 and DP 400.
Smallest Accuphase integrated and cdplayer ( 2* 90W). Isn’t this pairing too analytical for the detailed Nautilus tweeter?

Can somebody give their opinions? I know that I shoud listen by myself, but there aren’t many great dealers in the neighbourhood... (closest: more than 150 miles, and he hasn’t all the stuff I want to hear...)

Thnx
John
jshasselt
jshasselt OP
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Thanks for all your replies.
I've been offered a very interesting used Sugden 21SE-set for a temping price.
I'm still wondering if this A21SE 2*30 W (8Ohm), 2*40 W (4 Ohm) class A amplifier can really drive the B&W 805S, which are 88db sensitive and a minimum of 3,7 Ohm.
Will the amp run out of steam at fairly moderate volume, esp. with bass heavy rock music?
Thank you.
JS
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stanwal
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" or it is a slightly different model" Celtic66, what part of this did you not read?In any case I am somewhat prejudiced against Sugden: years ago I ordered the great, great, --- grandfather of this amp direct from them. It arrived in Chicago wired for English voltage and when I complained was told that I " had not specified a non standard voltage. " This type of thinking is responsible for their dominate position in the market today. Celtic also appears to regard passing along test findings from respected journals as misinformation. I do not.
celtic66
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Brevity is the soul of wit.

Following models caught my attention:

1. SUGDEN A21SE and CD21SE
2 * 30 W class A amp. I’m wondering if this amp is going to drive my 805 with ease, as it is rather low powered? Is this pairing good for Rock music?

The A21a is not mentioned.
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stanwal
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I was reporting on a test of the A21A which did not meet its power rating and did not sound particularly good. Your assumption that the addition of SE somehow transforms it into a more powerful and much better sounding amp is based on what? SE editions usually take good sounding items and make them sound better by the addition of better parts, not turn pigs ears into silk purses. SE means special edition of a given product, not a totally different product. It is hard to see how the subistution of a few parts could increase the power output of an amp that could not meet its previous rating by 50%. If you believe it can perhaps I could interest you in some flying pig insurance.
realhifi
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In answer to your simple question whether the 30 watt Sudgen will drive the 805s to high levels with rock, etc.

No.
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