Yslee , thanks for the reply. I am quite sure others could clarify. Perhaps no one is because it really does not apply to your original post. I could certainly understand if that is the case. It's not a big deal , so it wouldn't make sense to post a thread with the question. With regards to your post, I did hear the Virgo's (I think 2's) at CES several years ago. They were driven by the Hovland gear, Radia amp and their tube preamp. I was very impressed w/ what I heard in a brief listen. Some of the class A amps really seem to be more powerful than their rating. This was my experience w/ both my Accuphase and a short listen to the Lamm 1.2 Ref amps. Certainly it's been documented here that the Aleph amps are very good, musical solid state. Sounds like a good direction if you can't do tubes. Another amp I heard recently that impressed me was the ARC Classic 60. You may want to consider the heat issue w/ the Pass Aleph series before going that direction. Just to clarify, the Hovland amp I heard was the EL-34 amp, not he SS one. So, it may have been the Sapphire. Not too familiar w/ their line, even the preamp name escapes me. Anyway, not sure what their tech support would be, since the Co. seems to be no longer in the US.