What direction should Hi Fi tune fuse be installed

05-02-14: Frogman
Now, why exactly, is it so important for the skeptics to want to "set the record straight"? Why does it matter so much that some are convinced that the perceived reasons are real? Many seem to take on the role of "protectors of the naive". Please!

Frogman, my answer to essentially that question was provided in the first of my posts dated 4-30-14 in this thread, when I stated that:

... as I see it some people (including me) care because the basic reason most of us are here is the hope that sharing of knowledge and experience will be mutually beneficial in making our audio-related investments of time and money as productive as possible. As Mapman put it, prioritizing focus, based on the likelihood and degree of added value. Toward that end, it would seem logical to try to assure that reported effects, especially those that defy technical understanding, are not the result of inadequately disciplined methodology, attribution to the wrong variable, technical misconception, or factors that may not be applicable to many or most other systems.

If that is tantamount to trying to be a "protector of the naive," I suppose I would have to plead guilty as charged.

Best regards,
-- Al

Almarg, I agree with your premise, and perhaps I did not make my point sufficiently clear. I care very much, and as much as anyone, about learning the reasons why and eliminating, as much as possible, erroneous conclusions for the reasons why. My concern is that in my experience some will never be satisfied; even in the face of plausible explanations. This has been shown in other debates about the sound of everything from cables to amplifiers. Some simply can't hear the effect or won't hear it because they are so predisposed to not hearing it. So, why the apparent antagonism directed at those who do or claim they do? I suppose that when one comes from a place where, from experience, anything one does has an effect to some degree (however small), there is a built-in tolerance for believing and intolerance for skepticism. When one spends, literally, hours every day in the process of making sounds and studying what it takes to do that, one gains a certain respect for the complexity and fragility of musical sound that, I suppose, makes it much easier to accept the seemingly implausible.

*****"protector of the naive,"*****

Saint AL?? :)

My 2 cents:
The Naive, should not be protected, they should be informed.

As long as electronic theory, is discussed in terms of audio equipment, "I can hear a difference" will prevail.

Cheers

Rok, I continue to marvel at how you and I can, in fact, agree :-)

**** The Naive, should not be protected, they should be informed.****

I tend to agree, but informed about all perspectives, not just the one that happens to coincide with our own.

****As long as electronic theory, is discussed in terms of audio equipment, "I can hear a difference" will prevail.****

Absolutely true, and that is because many (not all) of the effects that are discussed are very real and are there to be heard.

BTW, the proposal I made to you at least a year or so ago stands. If you are ever in the NYC area, and want to play :-), come over to my place and bring your favorite cable. Wait, you don't have a favorite; bring any cable. Give me one LP side with it in my system. You will then have the opportunity to swap out (or not) your IC for mine and play ten musical selections from a few LP's of mine that we agree upon. If I can't identify which IC is in the system at least nine out of ten times, I will give you my original Columbia 6 eye "Kind Of Blue" and another of your choice. However, if I am able to, you will be required to listen to Berg's "Lulu" in its entirety; while I listen to Mingus on my son's system.

Almarg, it is mainly this statement to which I would take great exception, "especially those that defy technical understanding." I'm sure Einstein's theory face many who saw what he said as defying technical understanding. Were there any possibility of funding support or peer reviewed publication possible some physists would venture to research this question.

With your attitude, sir, you never will.