Pass Labs XP 30 VS Ayre KXR Pre

I've now heard these on several occasions.

Depending on yor system/room interface, you might pick the Pass if you are looking for a slightly warmer forgiving sound.

You might pick the Ayre if you are looking for a more dynamic, involving sound.

Both are great, among the very best ss preamps.

Thanks to all who responded, ended up buying the Ayre KXR Pre. Got it at a great deal!! Super performer housed in a single chassis box, Built like a tank, Am truly in heaven.

Jeb, Congratulations on the new pre amp. It is really superb. I heard it for the first time today.

In an early post above, I asked if anyone had actually heard both of these in the same system. I had the chance to do a direct comparison between these two pre amps in a friend's system today. He has Wilson Sashas and a Lamm hybrid amp. We listened to both digital and analog with a variety of jazz, pop and classical. I pretty much agree with what Hornguys wrote above. These are both great preamps.

We also compared the Lamm amp to a Pass XA160.5. With both amps on both digital and vinyl, the Ayre KXR had more high frequency energy. Also, leading edges/transients were emphasized over the sustain and decay of a note. The whole sound was more forward and tipped up tonally. The Pass XP-30 was more relaxed and a bit easier to listen to. I actually found it more involving, especially with the Pass amp, but I own Pass gear, so am admittedly biased. With the XP-30, there was usually, but not always, less emphasis on the leading edge of the note but the fundamental and harmonics were glorious, especially when mated to the Pass XA160.5.

One could say the Pass pre was warmer than the Ayre, but I would actually describe the Ayre as slightly cooler than the Pass. I guess they could mean the same thing, but when viewed relative to neutral, I would describe the Ayre as beng more on the cool side of neutral than the Pass is on the warm side of neutral, but others may disagree and reverse that. Either way, it is only by a matter of a few degrees.

Both preamps are highly resolving, wonderfully functional, first rate products from very good companies. They are expensive, but offer great performance. Which preamp one prefers will probably depend most on the rest of the system and personal preferences as Hornguys suggests above.

hi Peterayer, thanks for the great insight in comparing KX-R and XP-30. would you able to give more detail account of these two great preamps? e.g which is more airy? more transparent and less compress during orchestral climax, meaning that they can separate instruments in complex passage. if XP-30 sound warmer than KXR, does the slight emphasis on warmth sometimes cause music in higher octave sound "blocked" behind thick curtains? do both preamp have similar soundstage width & depth or noticeable differences? i have ordered Simaudio 750D which i like very well and hope XP-30 would complement well, do you concur ? thanks for your input. -phil

Hello Philip, I have no experience with the Simaudio 750D. I presume it is
your amplifier, but never having heard it, I won't offer an opinion on how
complementary it will be with the XP-30 pre amp.

I will try to answer your questions about the XP-30 and KX-R noting that I
only heard these two pre amps with the Lamm M1.2 Ref and Pass XA160.5
monoblock amplifiers in a friend's fairly familiar system. He has the Wilson
Sasha speakers with Purist Audio cables. So, my comments should be taken
in that context. They are also based mostly on listening to vinyl, though we
did listen to some digital.

1. Sense of Air: I find this term a bit tough to describe. I will define it as a
sense of palpable space and energy during silent passages which can induce
the anticipation of sound about to arrive. I also think of it as the last ringing
or evidence of a sound hanging in space. With this definition, which preamp
has better air depends on the frequency range. The pass had a bit more air in
the lower FR. Cello, bass, low drums and piano keys seemed slightly more
clear with space and harmonics being more evident with a quieter/blacker
background, especially with the Pass amp. Around the midrange, it was about
even. But with high frequencies, I would give a slight edge to the Ayre. As I
wrote above, there is more HF energy with the Ayre. The tonal balance
is tilted up a bit compared to the Pass. This gives the impression that there is
more lightness and air with cymbals, violin, piano. HF notes are a bit louder,
but they don't ring or resonate more. There seems to be a bit more
information but this might be only an impression because HF is a bit louder.
However, I'm not sure this is more realistic. And I did not miss this extra HF
energy while listening to the Pass.

Transparency: Slight edge to the Pass. This is because of the tonal balance
shift toward the HF with the Ayre. The Pass is more balanced and even
sounding.

Lack of Compression: The Ayre was more open on HF, the Pass more open on
LF and they were about even in the midrange. So during complex orchestral
passages, low level information with drums, cello was a bit more audible and
this gave a better sense of foundation and weight to the music. However,
massed strings, solo violin, right hand piano notes were more emphasized
with the Ayre and this made them pop in the mix a bit more, but again, I'm
not sure this is more realistic than with the Pass, just a bit more energetic and
lively. I should add, when listening to some of the digital, the Ayre was a bit
bright and fatiguing and I would not like it long term. And it did sound
more compressed on digital. The Pass was more relaxed, cleaner and easier
to listen to on digital. There was no sense of fatigue with the Pass.

Well, that was pretty difficult to write and it was based on only one afternoon
of listening. In the end, these differences were really small, especially on
analog, and my suspicion is that cable and amp partnering might make more
of a difference. These are expensive products and you should really try to
hear them in your system context. Overall, I preferred the XP-30, especially
with the Pass amps.

Hornguy's summary above, which is based on hearing these preamps in a
greater range of systems, pretty much matches what I heard. I'll only add that
on certain digital music, the Ayre did sound a bit compressed in the highs and
was slightly fatiguing.