Ok db, I'll give it up. I guess I kept hoping to hear something that would help convince me that the Oppo was worth a shot as a stand alone cd player, but alas, I didn't. You're right, enough is enough. Thanks for the Emotive tip Harri009, I've read some very positive reviews regarding that whole line, however, I think I've decided to take the plunge with what I'm afraid may have a very good shot at becoming my new fetish, the new Copland CDA 825. Thanks again to all. Jay