It is funny to read all the negative responses. Many manufacturers come out with the "latest and greatest" periodically. I mentioned in previous posts that manufacturers have to keep their name out there, and with the exception to the very poor and in my opinion totally inaccurate review of the DAC 8 in stereophile (I believe), new products keep coming out just to keep their names in the audio magazines, which won't review older products (even if they are still in production). At least that is my assessment. But, I have no problem with newer products coming out. Although in my opinion it does reduce the value of the previous products. I'm into this for the music and listening experience. I was told by many, including dealers I trust, that the REF 5 is not so much better than the REF 3 that it justified a purchase of the REF 5. However, they did tell me that the REF 5SE is that much better. I haven't heard it yet, but I will. But quite honestly, I'm very happy with my REF 3 sound in my system. Listening fatique does not exist and it is wonderful to sit and listen for extended periods of time. The same is true with my DAC 8. Before I purchased it, I compared it to top of the line DACs (including the DACs (two) that I owned) and it was better. So, if one isn't in the amp of the month club it really shouldn't be an issue with companies replacing or upgrading products periodically. As long as one is happy with their equipment.
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