Bob Carver LLC has been purchased by Emotiva

One track mind? No way. I was harsh on Bob's current tube amps that appears to be a very good quality product. But here are the objective historical facts on Bob's company back in the 80's and 90's in Lynnwood, WA. I was a former member of the Washington Audio Society back in the 90's and Bob attended a couple of our monthly meetings on Mercer Island. At the time, the only good reliable products he was making were his tube amps which were made in house at the factory in Lynnwood. By 1990 all his solid state products were manufactured in Asia. I knew many Audiophiles at the time that were pissed at his solid state pieces since they had the same problems as I did. On going defect problems with his solid state manufacturing. I am not exaggerating at all at the number of Carver solid state pieces that came into repair at Magnolia Hi-Fi every month. Any reputable business man would not allow these problems to go on continuously for ten years as Carver did which was disrespectful to Audiophiles and would have made adjustments to correct those problems which is why Carver sales tanked and the company went out of business and Bob moved his operations to Issaquah, WA. and started Sunfire. Other companies from that time period such as ATI, SAE, Luxman, Accuphase and McIntosh had much better quality products. As far as tube amps, I'll take a used Conrad-Johnson over Carver any day of the week.

Mitch4t, you have an awesome system. For the record, Bob Carver was the designer of Bob Carver, LLC. Bob C was not in charge of the financial side of the operation; Bob F was. My understanding is that the decision to sell to Emotiva was made by Bob F, who has now retired from high end and is traveling the country-good for him. The pricing of the Bob's tube amps was decided by Bob F, not Bob C. FWIW, the new reduced pricing of the Bob's tube amps was not Bob C's decision either. So I think it's a bit unfair to trash Bob C for decisions that were not his.

Audiozen, you are a broken record. Please stop. Don't you realize that in the end Bob did not have control over the bean counters who wanted to maximize profit? He quit those companies in part because he lost control over his products by the investors/board members who were more interested in profit than overall quality. Why are you comparing Sunfire to companies like Luxman, McIntosh, and Accuphase who charge many times more for their products? You have no valid argument.

Dracule1..for the record, you state "In the end Bob did not have control over the bean counter's who wanted to maximize profits" is completely false. Heres the facts. Bob Carver went into equal partnership in the 90's with Jim Kropf, co-founder and owner of Definitive Audio in Seattle. Several years into the partnership Jim attempted to kick Bob out of Carver due to a failing company claiming he owned the patent rights to the schematics of the Lightstar amplifier and owned the Carver trademark. Bob filed a lawsuit in Federal court against Jim and was not allowed to use the Carver name for several years until the case was over so he used the name Sunfire instead. Bob won the lawsuit and was awarded back the Carver name and the Lightstar patents. It had nothing to do with bean counters, just poor business choices that Bob made which resulted in a business war with his partner Jim Kropf.

Audiozen, You have an unhealthy obsession with Bob. Seek professional help. You'll get no more response from me.