Class A Watts


Are class A watts more powerful then class AB, or is a watt just a watt. In other words would a 100 watt class A amp struggle with speakers that a 200 Watt class AB amp can handle just fine? I guess current would matter as well. Anyway, I was just curious.
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So tube amps generally have high impedance output because of the transformers.
Tonywinsc, this is not a correct statement. Tube amps have a high output impedance due to the high output impedance of the tube itself. You need many tubes in parallel to get the overall output impedance low (see some of Atma-sphere amps, CAT JL2, etc). The output transformer is used to transform the high(er) output impedance on the tube side to the lower output impedance on the speaker side. Hence the 8/4/2 Ohm taps on a power amp. So, output transformers save the days for tube amps - without output transformers one would not be able to drive a speaker unless one used special techniques like OTL (Atma-sphere Berning). Thanks.
Yes, of course. I was trying to keep the description more simplified, ie. the output tubes are coupled through the transformers so that the speakers see only the transformers.
If an amp is running some bias current so that the output transistors are always on but the bias current is (very) low then essentially the amp is biased into class-A. I think that they call these power amps 'sliding class-A power amps' meaning that they have some very low bias current during off-state & the bias increases proportional to the input music signal when it's present.

All transistor amps run some bias current on the output devices at idle. This is not sliding class A, this is AB. Sliding A is where the bias is dynamically changed as the input signal changes.

I was trying to keep the description more simplified, ie. the output tubes are coupled through the transformers so that the speakers see only the transformers.

The transformer transforms the speaker impedance to something that the tubes can handle. Conversely, the tubes are part of the source impedance that the speaker 'sees'.

An implication of this is that a class A tube power amplifier may well be operating in the AB region if the transformer has the wrong impedance on a particular tap, like a 4 ohm load on the 8 ohm tap.

BTW it is not correct to say

SS amps and 4 ohm speakers were made for each other.

The why of it is that all amps, tube or transistor (or class D) make more distortion into 4 ohms as opposed to 8 or 16 ohms. This distortion is audible as increased brightness and loss of detail. Put in a nutshell, if **Sound Quality** is your goal, it is best served by a speaker of 8 ohms or more. If **Sound Pressure** is your goal, there is a weak argument for 4 ohms if you have a transistor amp that can double its power (3db). Put another way, there really isn't an argument for 4 ohms in high end audio, but there might be in sound reinforcement.
"The why of it is that all amps, tube or transistor (or class D) make more distortion into 4 ohms as opposed to 8 or 16 ohms. This distortion is audible as increased brightness and loss of detail. Put in a nutshell, if **Sound Quality** is your goal, it is best served by a speaker of 8 ohms or more."

OK, I'm following the theory, but as far as audible distortion, wouldn't this be more evident with a tube amp (let's say a SET amp) using a 4 ohm spkr rather than a SS amp into a 4 ohm speaker.
Wouldn't this distortion with SS amps show up more on test specs, not in a listening room?