Phono Preamp Gain Question


I am looking to upgrade my phono preamp as I have just acquired a much better cartridge. The cartridge has an output of .28mv; my tube preamp has gain of 12db. What is the lowest gain that a moving coil stage of a phono preamp should have for me to listen without excessive noise? I listen at realistic levels--medium to loud. I have read that some of the newer phono preamps without transformers--ARC PH6 or CJ TEA2se to name two, will not have enough gain for my application. Thanks in advance for your help.
teeshot
Here is the obligatory comment to a question about a phono preamp :-)

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Peter

PS I do make them - Thought I'd change up the post a bit :-)
You have a fairly low output cartridge and your line stage isn't on the higher end of gain options. While there is the variable of amp sensitivity and speaker efficiency, Salectric's speakers being very efficient so he needs less gain, I think with average sensitivity and efficiency even a gain of 60 is low for you. Bear in mind less will work, but noise becomes an issue.

My cartridge is .35, my line stage is 18db and my phono stage is 68db. But, my speakers are only 88db efficient. I may have a little more gain than I need from my phono stage, but I've gotten addicted to a dead silent background. You have a lower output cartridge and 6db less gain from your pre amp. Absent something on the amp/speaker end to reduce your gain needs, you need at least 65db.

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Tee shot: Your question is difficult as there is no specific answer without taking into all of your components from cartridge to speakers. I have a cartridge that has .28 db of gain. My phono stage high gain is 60 db but that is not nearly enough to drive my Soundlabs to acceptable levels (75-80 db levels). My preamp 15 db, amps 20 db,and speaker 86 db? ). Require the volume to be turned up where the noise level is unacceptable. I lowered the gain on my phono stage and added 14 db with a step up which brings my gain to 68 db. I now have a very quiet background that also requires a lower volume on the control dial. So, I would recommend a phono stage that would allow adjustable gain or purchase a step up transformer and experiment with several different brands.
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Just remember that there are at least two different test conditions that are used to determine cart output. ZYX LOMCs are specified at 0.25 or 0.28 but the test conditions make that equivalent to almost 50% higher output when equated to more typical test conditions.