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HD Down Load compared to Analog.


Lately, I've been comparing HD Down loads to "analog". The obvious first advantage is no pops and ticks, but that's just for old records. Another advantage for me personally is that I don't have class "A" analog, I have class "B", which is very good. I still use Stereophile magazine's ratings of equipment as a way of conveying how good a piece of equipment is. While folks here put that method of conveying how good a piece of equipment is, they still concur with it, and they don't even know it.

Class "A" analog is the best, and it's always very expensive. You have to have 100% class "A" in the chain to yield class "A" sound, which is why I have Class "B".

In my comparison evaluation, I used Santana "Abraxas" as the test LP. Since I've worn out 5 copies of this album, to say I'm familiar with it is an understatement. "Singing Winds And Crying Beasts" is the first cut, it has "tinkly" sounding chimes that test definition on all equipment. After listening to a new LP, I gave it an "A" rating. This meant the HD Download would have to be some kind of fantastic to top the LP.

As soon as the music began, it became apparent the HD Download was superior; there was a "jet black" background. This is something I had never heard before. I'm fully aware of the fact that's an "oxymoron". "How can you hear what you don't hear, and you have never heard before". Only an audiophile can understand that, consequently, I won't try to explain it. After only two cuts, I gave the HD Download an "A+" rating.

While I have Class "B" analog, if you have Class "A" analog, it might be better than the Download, I don't know. These are the results from my comparison, I would like to hear yours.
orpheus10
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I've had very good experiences with HD Tracks hi-rez downloads. I don't believe Stereophile ratings and like many have already stated, its more important to match the components to get the sound quality you're seeking rather than buying the highest rated Stereophile rated components.

That said, I have a Bricasti M1 USB (the latest version with the improved digital section power supply as of March 2013) that is rated A+ in Stereophile. I also have a fully upgraded Linn LP12 with the Radikal PS, Keel subchassis, Eko SE arm and Akiva MC cartridge. The analog setup cost more than double the cost of Bricasti DAC. The configuration of my LP12 is rated class A and my phono stage, Zesto Andros PS1 is also rated class A.

When I compare an LP to the same HD download, I have always preferred the LP. I've only compared 3-4 albums but each time I preferred the LP. I do like the HD downloads a lot though and I have about 25 24/192 or 24/96 albums. I agree the HD downloads sound great but I still like my LP a smidgen better.
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orpheus10 OP
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Zenblaster, "In my comparison evaluation, I used Santana "Abraxas" as the test LP. Since I've worn out 5 copies of this album, to say I'm familiar with it is an understatement. "Singing Winds And Crying Beasts" is the first cut, it has "tinkly" sounding chimes that test definition on all equipment. After listening to a new LP, I gave it an "A" rating. This meant the HD Download would have to be some kind of fantastic to top the LP."

After wearing out so many LP's, it only took two cuts to tell me something was different, and of course I listen to it all the time now. What ever your intangibles are, I have yet to discover them.

Enjoy the music.


zd542
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Orpheus10,

I like and agree with a lot of what you are saying, but not everything.

"As audiophiles, we are required to learn system compatibility, but that will not replace component quality, and you can not get class "A" sound with Class "B" components, although you can consider whatever sound you're listening to Class "A"."

"but to get into the vaunted realm of Class "A" sonics will require a trip to the bottom of one's pockets, especially since every single solitary component in the chain must be at that same sonic level."

I understand what you are talking about, and that may be the case in some situations, but not always. I've found that in many cases, using B rated or lower components, can yield class A sound. You do say this, and that the reason is good system matching. I agree. My argument is that I think Stereophile just gets it wrong sometimes. Why do they? I really don't know. It could be any number of reasons.

I've had several pieces over the years that were B and C components. Doing my best to get everything sounding as best I could, I compared these components with A rated components. Of course this is all subjective, but in many cases I was able to get A sound out of lesser rated components. Not only that, they often cost far less than their A competition.

The only 2 issues I have with all of this is: 1. Stereophile sometimes miss-rates components. (Definitely not your fault in any way. I only bring it up to suggest not following the ratings too closely. They make mistakes just like any one else.)

2. This is where we may disagree. When you say that you can take a B or C component an do a really good job matching the system so that the overall sound is A, I believe that makes an A rated component. Why wouldn't it? You are absolutely correct in that system matching is the key to everything. I just don't see how you can separate the 2 ideas (system matching and rating). If you can get A sound from a B component using careful matching and setup methods, why wouldn't you rate the component A?

I hope I did a good job explaining my point. If I'm not clear on anything, just post and I'll try to explain it a little better.
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rauliruegas
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Dear Benjie: +++++ " With vinyl, all of the information is in that groove. You are not missing anything. " +++++

well that's IMHO is only in theory. Please analize the LP playback proccess and let us know if " you are not missing anything ".

Nothing is perfect and analog is not and those imperfections preclude that you can hear what's in the recorded grooves. Think about.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
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