On one leg or two legs?

Even when just a power amps connected to the speakers, and nothing else connected to the amps, and with grounds lifted on both amps with a cheater plugs, still I hear faint hum (much louder with no cheater plugs).
I have tried everything:
Unplugged every piece of equipment, and turned off all circuit breakers,
Lifted grounds on every single piece,
01-29-09: Maril555

Maril555,
If your hum problem exists with nothing connected to the inputs of the power amps to the extent you even used ground cheaters on the plugs of the power cords maybe the problem is the power amps and the The Bolero's sensitivity of 92dB/W/m.

(much louder with no cheater plugs).

Again with no ics connected to the amps inputs?
Just the amps connected to the speakers?
Totally isolated from one another?

OK....before you kill yourself and us....pull out your amp and take it to an audio store...or high end used equipment seller....or just a friends house who has some halfway decent speaker (almost anything costing over $100 will do).

Connect the amp with no input to their speaker(s). See if there is a hum and if it changes when you touch the amp case. If it does....fix your home electrical so it's up to code and get your amp fixed.

If there is no hum...come back and we'll work on the problem.

Jea 48,
Just last night I did another experiment- connected both power amps and preamp to a single outlet with a power strip, no cheater plugs- faint hum in the R channel and louder hum in the left.
Funny thing is, that I have the same model power amp before, just in stereo configuration (BAT-75 SE), and had the SAME problem, hum louder in the L channel.
I am absolutely sure the amps are fine, they are on loan from my friend, and are absolutely quiet in his system.
I didn't take them to my living room system to try, just because they are so heavy.
I will try again with no ICs connected, but then I'd have to use plugs in the inputs, otherwise they pick- up noise as antennas.
Ghstudio,
I'm pretty sure my electrical is up to code, as Jea48 seems to agree with.

Just did it again- no ICs connected, plugs in the inputs- same hum.

Just did it again- no ICs connected, plugs in the inputs- same hum.
01-31-09: Maril555

Maril555,
By chance do you have a multimeter? If so why not try a plug polarity orientation test for each power amp.

To do the test you will need to trim the polarized plug blade on one of the ground cheaters. A pair of tin snips will do the job. Trim it down to match the non- polarized blade. The idea is so you will be able to plug the cheater either way into the wall receptacle.

For the test, no ics, just the plugs on the inputs of the amps.

Plug the modified ground cheater in the 120v recept the normal way and plug the amp into the cheater.

Turn on the amp.

Set the multimeter to AC volts.

Insert one test probe of the meter into the U shaped ground hole of the recept making good contact with the metal ground contact.

Touch the other probe of the meter to the chassis of the power amp. If you have to, remove a screw on the back somewhere to make a good contact to bare metal.

Note the AC reading..... write it down.

Now turn off the amp..... You will need to wait awhile before you can turn the amp back on for the rest of the test, so just preform the same test on the other amp next.
Just follow the same procedure for the second amp. Again make note of the voltage measurement.

Now go back to the first power amp. This time you want to flip the cheater plug 180* in the recept.

Turn on the power amp.

Again measure the AC voltage from the ground of the recept and the chassis of the amp.
Note the voltage.

The lower of the two voltage measurements is the correct plug orientation polarity.

Repeat the test for the other amp.

Big question now is the hum less for each amp?

If the preamp has a 3 wire plug you might want to check it as well. Make sure all ics are disconnected from the inputs as well as the outputs.
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