Dedicated Power Lines


Been thinking about running dedicated Romex circuits from my circuit breaker box for my rig. No . . . I decline paying for specialty wire, Romex will do. The question is how many discreet lines and the amp capability of each line. I'm still trying to figure out how to do the installation in accordance with Code, without tearing my finished basement apart. For that, I'll consult a licensed electrician.

My rig consists of the following gear: (1) self powered sub that is rated at 1500 "Class D" watts; 4500 watts on a surge; (2) ARC tube CDP; (3) ARC tube line stage; (4) ARC tube power amp rated at 120 wpc - supposedly draws 700-800 watts when driven hard; (5) ARC tube phono pre; and VPI TT. I have a large screen plasma TV and a DVD player. I think that stuff can run off the house circuits.

Right now, everything I just listed is sucking juice off the same line. I gotta believe no good is coming from that set-up. Funny story -- one day my kid was playing Rosetta. I think it's a band that plays music, or at least that what my kid says. Tons of bass. When the band kicked into "low gear," first the basement lights dimmed, then the circuit breaker tripped.

Oh, my house is tied into the utility lines with a 100 amp service. If I change that out, that's the next project. But not right now. Other than Rosetta, no other power delivery problems noted.

Thanks
bifwynne
Jea. Can't imagine what you are on about bringing 3 phase power into this. Hmm. I believe most people are going to install their 'power systems?' correctly, regardless of the type of conditioning they will use. Just an assumption.

I think if I understand it, if you use both phases of power at home then if you cross the hots you can produce 240volts. I would think anybody who uses 220 power conditioning is subject to this and anybody who uses multiple plugs from different phases are all in the same boat.
You are advocating only using one phase for stereo use.
I have a 55 year old house with an original 100 amp service which, in a way, worked in my favor because I was forced to upgrade. I did this approx 15 years ago with the addition of a 200 amp box bypassing the old one to serve 220V users such as the clothes dryer, stove and A/C air handler. The 100W box was otherwise left unchanged feeding all other existing circuits in the house. This was a matter of convenience because the 100 amp box is in the garage.

Modifications that were made to serve the sound system were done primarily to protect it, to the extent possible, from potential damage from power feed glitches. I didn't consider it from the standpoint of maximizing sonic quality and it still wouldn't be a priority in my thinking today. Anyway, the modification consisted of a lightning arrestor with surge protection and separate 30 amp breakers from the 200 amp panel serving two outlets on the wall which serves the system. I also use a line conditioner for most of the components in the system. I'm sure that there are some purists that would cringe at all these intervening electronics and several have already reminded me that this protection may provide some peace of mind but is mostly not that effective.

From a purely sonics standpoint, and I'm still not convinced that this is an important issue, I may have gained something by accident. The electrician did use 10 gauge Romex from a roll on his truck and the run of these two wires was relatively short (approx 25ft). They were run in the garage attic, parallel to one another with no crossing of other conductors, and the installation in question was far removed from "noisy" installations such as the central air handler by about 60'.

I don't think I added much to the conversation except to remind those who are doing upgrades to their house power, that it's a good idea and pretty simple, to make accommodations for your sound system at the same time.
I also live in an old house and upgraded my service. I had my service upgraded to a 250 amp service with new breaker box and what I think helped the most is changing to new 0/0 wire from the pole to the new breaker box. The new feed to the house is a much larger wire.
I think if I understand it, if you use both phases of power at home then if you cross the hots you can produce 240volts.
06-21-13:

Coxhaus,

A little background.

Most homes in housing developments in the US are fed from a single phase transformer. The 240V nominal secondary winding has a center tap, CT, midpoint of the winding. The CT is called the neutral.
The secondary winding is called a split phase winding.

The neutral is intentionally connected to earth at the main electrical service of the house. The neutral then becomes the Grounded Conductor.
The other two conductors are called the Ungrounded Conductors. Also referred to as the Hot conductors.

From Hot to Hot conductor there is a difference of potential, voltage, of 240V nominal. From either Hot conductor to the neutral conductor there will be 120V, nominal.
Thus a 120/240Vac grounded 3 wire single phase power system.

Click on single phase power systems.
http://openbookproject.net/electricCircuits/AC/AC_10.html#xtocid174140

I would think anybody who uses 220 power conditioning is subject to this and anybody who uses multiple plugs from different phases are all in the same boat.
If you would take the time and research the archives of audio forums you will find the vast majority of audiophiles when feeding their audio equipment from two or more 120V branch circuits will feed the circuits from branch circuit breakers that are fed from the same Line in the electrical panel, when the equipment is connected together by ICs. All from Line one (L1) or all from Line two (L2) but not from both.

As for your 3 isolation transformers you have the same situation. It doesn't matter whether you fed the xfmrs with 240V or 120V. (240V is best IMO). Two of the 3 will be in phase with one another. The other has a 50/50 chance of being in phase with the other two. My simple test, in one of my previous posts above, will tell you for sure.

IF one of the xfmrs is out of phase with the other two all that needs to be done is to reverse the two primary hot branch circuit wires at the breaker that feeds that xfmr.

Transformer phasing?

Click on phasing.
http://openbookproject.net/electricCircuits/AC/AC_9.html#xtocid174063
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