what is good sound ?


when evaluating stereo systems, should the performance of the stereo system itself be the reference point, or should the listener be the basis for the evaluation ?

if the instrinsic quality of sound is the basis for judgment, then such concepts as transparency, neutrality or accuracy might be the standard for evaluation.

otherwise, the listener would be the sole judge and whatever criterion, be it based upon sonic considerations or physiological/psychological states, would be the deciding factor.

whatever approach is selected, what is the justification for either one ?
mrtennis
marco, i9 agree with you in principle. for me, the closer i get to the sound of an instrument in a live setting, the happier i am.
But, what if the instrument is an electric guitar going through Marshall stacks and a soundboard of questionable quality?
for me, the closer i get to the sound of an instrument in a live setting, the happier i am.

Then spend more time listening to live music.

You're subject is the reproduction of that music by an artificial means. First off, what music sounds like in a live setting may be different to you than it is to me. It will certainly be different depending upon the setting, where you listen from, live mixing, the crowd, the room, your mood, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes live music can sound simply horrible, as we all know, and we wonder why we spent the coin when we could be more moved by the same music on our own system at home. It happens. It all comes down to subjective opinion...what makes you "happy" may not be what makes me "happy". That said, yes, I think I agree with you on some level that what one of the things that engages me most about my system is the illusion of a 'realistic' presence. I don't know that brings us much closer to some objective definition of "good sound" though but I suppose it's something. Again, it becomes subjective...those qualities in a system that make music sound "live" to you may be quite different to those that I am engaged by.

Marco
Marco: Accuracy isn't subjective. Personal preference, obviously, is subjective, but many of us don't care what someone else thinks "sounds good." That person may like exaggerated bass or treble, which is not at all true to the source. Or that person may simply not be qualified to judge a system because he or she has no idea what an unamplified instrument sounds like. As John Dunlavy noted, much of this actually can be measured. Good -- meaning accurate -- sound really isn't such a big mystery.
9rw,

I noted your post to Marco - I can't help but wonder how you judge a system to be 'accurate'. You say it "really" isn't such a big mystery".

Why don't you explain to those of use who want accuracy, but have a hard time being sure we have achieved it, exactly how you know when your system is in fact accurate and not just a sound you personally prefer.

Thanks