ADC 26 BEST PRITCHARD CARTRIDGE EVER? or BEST CARTRIDGE EVER?


Dear friends: I always said that each day is a learning day and if like me that from several years now think always " out of the box " many of you will find out great rewards that audio always has for us as an unexpected gifts.

Obviously that’s not easy to think " out of the box " because to do that we have to have a different kind of self attitude where between other things we must to forget for ever at least the 50% of all the information we learned through our audio life in the AHEE. With out that " forget " we just can’t do it.

This review is more than an usual audio item review for many reasons I will try to explain over the thread.

First I want to leave very clear my room/audio system main target: STAY TRUER TO THE RECORDING.

To achieve that we have to think that usually the recording microphones are positioned at very near field of the MUSIC sources even like in the 3 Blind Mice recordings: inside the instruments. Recording microphones are not " seated " at 20m-35m. from the source as usually we listen when attend to a live acoustical music event. So we have to have self experiences of live MUSIC seated at near field. If some of us do not have that kind experiences then is very dificult to understand what I’m talking about here and elsewhere.

OK, the ADC 26 cartridge is a vintage Induced Magnet invented motor design by Peter Pritchard ( that pass away. ), it’s not a MM or MI or MC kind of cartridge design. Here you can read about and on his patent and a little of his audio life history:


https://www.stereophile.com/content/peter-pritchard

The cartridge under review is this:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ihw6yo.jpg

that is part of the ADC 25, 26 and 27 cartridge family.

This is the ADC 25:

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/download/file.php?id=31979

and this the ADC 27:

https://adelcom.net/ADC-adc%2027.JPG

and here the ADC 26 specs ( please take note those 15° stylus tip mounted angle. ):

https://www.vinylengine.com/library/adc/26.shtml


As you can see and read all seems very old and rudimentary with really humble cartridge specs ( nothing spectacular down there. ) where the elliptical stylus is: 0.03 x 0.07.

The ADC 25 red dot stylus ( exist the red blue 0.03 x 0.09 and the white dot. ) is similar to the 26 and the ADC 27 change is that is the same 26 stylus type but nude. I own all those models that comes with the same cartridge body but different color and where the cartridge motor in the 26 and 27 is similar and the cartridge differs only in the stylus and that the compliance instead 50 cu as in the 25 and 26 is " only " 40cu.

All these cartridges are my oldest ones ( comes from the 60’s. ) that I bougth years ago when started the very long MM Agon thread and I remember that I mentioned there the 25 and 26 but almost no one took cares about not even me because I really never gave it the enougth listening time to those cartridges and was only like a month ago that I really discovery this fenomenal, outstanding, astonishing and " perfect " performer.

When you listen it you are not listen as if was alike MM/MI/electrect cartridges but more as a live event/truer to the recording with some characteristics only shared for the best of the best LOMC cartridges.

I made my self developed evaluation proccess where I’m deep trained and is almost " bullet proof ".

The best MM/MI cartridge is with out doubt the AKG P100LE followed by Astatic MF-2500 and others as the JVC X1MK2 or the Technics EPC 100CMK4 but no one of them can even the quality performance levels of the ADC 26. The ADC is in a different league " the major league ".

I compared the 26/27 against the Colibri, Ortofon A95, Lyra Etna, My Sonic Labs Supereminent ( I think ? ? ) Dynavector XV-1s, Clearaudio Goldfinger and some other vintage top MC designs. No one of them beats overall the ADC 26.

The main 26 characteristics to beat belongs at both frequency extremes where if we want first rate quality performance there first condition is the transient response/attack of the music notes and develops of harmonics along the decay timing that’s where exist clear differences in between MC cartridges and all the other kind of designs. Nothing but the 26/27 compares with a top LOMC cartridges in those regards.

The transient response and fast timing decay in the low of the bass range is second to none and " mimic " what we can listen in a live event at nearfield position. With out this " sole " characteristic MUSIC as MUSIC just can’t exist and is here where belongs the MUSIC foundation.
At the other frequency extreme things are more of the bass range quality performance. In both frequency range it’s not only the rigthness of the transient response but the notes definition its very clear distinction in between and its harmonics. Exist no overhang or bold sound. At the high frequency range ( at the top. ) nothing can beats a Colibri 0.22mv output and the only contender for is precesily these ADC 26/27 ! !

As you can see the 26/27 specs says not very wide frequency range but when listen to it you can sware it goes from 5hz to over 100khz but the more important issue is the clear definition. When the timing in those frequency ranges are spot on then the overall MUSIC rythm is just spectacular and makes and moves all your feelings and body.

We all hear through all our body not only through our ears. We hear through the skin, bones, skind hair and millions of nervous terminations in the body and when you are listening to the ADC 26/27 all those have a true meaning as never before.

What about soundstage, layering, inner detail and the like: just very first rate. Tonal balance is outstanding nothing at the broad wide frequency range tells you " hey: I’m here ", exist a true coherence in between all frequency ranges.

Yes, it’s a UNIQUE listen experience a NEW listen experience coming from a very older cartridge and YES is the best Pritchard design and if you think that you already own the best cartridge ever you need to experience the ADC 26/27. I compared against the best out there in the same system with the same tonearms and same everything.

Was not only me but some other audiophiles friends where at least one of them is a music player. This one is a drummer/batery player and when he was at my place I run ( between other LPs. ) the Sheffield D2D with Ron Tutt and Jim Keltner great drummers with out telling him which cartridge was playing and my friend that’s a true expert with those instruments and golden ear by nature was " jaws dropping " and it’s because is incredible the TRUE of that kind of sound coming from the ADC’s
. This recording specially is something to listen through the 26/27 at 95db SPL with peaks in the 100db neigborhood, you can touch the sound and cut it with a sizzers ! ! !. It’s amazing.
The ADC never lost its aplomb no matters at what SPL you are listening from 70db to over 95dbs .

Every single good recording " sings " as never before of all what I experienced in my system and several other top audio systems.

One of the best MUSIC LP for testing any audio item is the Telarc 1812 and not because the cannon shots but overall frequency ranges that’s always a challenge for any cartridge andd for any audio system in other frequency ranges than the bass range.
No one of the other top LOMC cartridges can even overall the ADC 26/27 quality performance levels in this LP recording in all the frequency range other than the very low bass where the ADC beats to all of them.

I running the ADC 26 at 1.1grs and due ot its very high compliance ( 50cu. ) and cartridge body design is a very low rider when the 27 is only a low rider.
As with other top LOMC cartridges the alignment set up is critical but with the ADC 26 we have to do it with the best accuracy we can and with the VTA/SRA tiny/sligthly up at the tonearm bearing. This VTA/SRA is critical and as always not only depends of the accuracy overall set up but room system dependent.

That explosiveness, power, dynamics, transient response, thightness, flow, true tonal balance agresiveness, natural brigthness, rythm that usually exist only in a live MUSIC event with the ADC 26/27 you can feel that never was in your home audio system as nearer as with these ADC cartridges.

Those audiophiles terms as: lush, organic, color, smothness, bold, and the like does not exist through these " truer to the recording " performers. Those audiophiles terms/characteristics of sound just does not exist in the nearfield MUSIC live events are only characteristics " invented by the AHEE and very far away from reality.

The ADC 26/27 as the very top LOMC cartridges are made it for true music lovers more than for " audiophiles ".

I think that in the 60’s the ADC 26/27 you can get fro no more than 80.00 and today can compete against 15K+ LOMC cartridges.

This all new experience through the ADC 26/27 bcartridges came in the best moment when I 'm more mature in all subjects with MUSIC and audio and when my room audio system is at its best with all the up-dates and up-grades I can afford bor the better.

As always your contributions in the thread all are welcomed and appreciated.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.


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Boron cantilever+ micro ridge stylus for the ADC 26?
Chakster will be happy : at last hollow boron cantilevers...
Those are needed to put iron rod in the cantilever. ’’MI ’’ you
know?

The aluminum cantilever with the stylus is installed in the ’’pipe’’ behind which may be the iron part of the construction. It is like ’’joint pipe’’ by MC kinds.

@nandric Let me illustrate what you’re talking about, later ADC TRX cantilever construction is the same: aluminum collar and sapphire cantilever ... click HERE for high resolution close up image of my trx II.


...and low quality image from the manual here 

Anyway your beloved TRX can also be retipped with boron+
micro ridge stylus. What more do you want ?

@nandric
Me? I never retip cartridges. The ADC sapphire cantilever and its special Vital III diamond is very nice, my sample is for sale (NOS), i need cash to survive in covid-19 world.

Dear chakster, your pictures are much better than my description.


I use macro lens this is why we can see something on my images.

If someone would like to pay $500 to refurbish MM/MI cartridge i have to say this is equal or very close to the price of a brand new better cartridge (NOS) with advanced cantilever and stylus, but original.

In my opinion not worth it. 

I,ve seen people asking up to 500 dlls for replacements for the empire edr9, which is way too much.

Any stylus replacement with aluminum cantilever at that price is a rip-off! You can buy a whole new cartridge at this price. 

500 is a price tag for some very rare replacement styli for MM cartridges with exotic cantilevers like beryllium, titanium, boron ... and advanced profiles.  

I paid over $800 for my ATN180 stylus (sealed), just for the stylus, for AT-ML180 cartridge, but this is one of the best MM ever and the cantilever is "special", two versions made: hollow pipe beryllium and hollow pipe boron. Both gold-plated, both with MicroLine stylus. Extremely low moving mass!

EDR9 is popular here, not expensive, it’s $300 cartridge
Ok, another cartridge of the month? 
At leats something new, good to hear 

Maybe i am late with ADC, but i've bought ADC TRX-2 MI cartridge with Sapphire cantilever. Never tried TRX series before. As far as i know this cartridge was designed in Japan by Nakatsuka-San (ZYX) for ADC. 

Has anyone tried them ?   
@nandric 

Well at present I own not one but two TRX 2. The later one

with ''improved'' beryllium cantilever. This ''ADC'' with quotation

marks is made by an Japanese as you already mentioned. My

quotation marks are ''caused'' by this fact. Well to me this TRX2

is , say, equal to other of our ''best ever'': AT 180, Signet TK 7cl,

JVC X1-mk 2 ,etc. Except ''of course''  your own and only

Glanz&Astatic 61 (grin).


I know that you don't use any of them :) 

Astatic is not in my list, buddy 


But the AT-ML180 is hard to beat by any cartridge.

Well i will check the TRX-2 soon, we will see how good is your memory regarding the quality of that rare gem  


Let’s make it clear:
There is no relations between Glanz 61 and any Astatic, except for the MF generator. 
There is no equal model in Astatic line and that’s why the 61 is so speacial. Other models like Glanz 31, 51, 71 are all almost equal to the Astatic MF100 and MF200 (yes, all made by Mitachi).

But the Glanz MFG-61 has it’s unique cantilever and stylus tip that you will never find on any Astatic models. In fact ALL Astatic comes with aluminum cantilevers like any other Galnz models, except for the 61 which has a Boron Cantilever and Paroc stylus tip. I think Glanz people are smarter than Astatic if they made such a great model with different cantilever and different stylus tip.

Anyway i have not used my Glanz 61 for a long time.

P.S. Ortofon MC2000 is what i’m using this month with Gold Note PH-10 high gain MC phono stage. Very impressed!

@nandric No, there is no Astatic logo on my Glanz and no "A with a legs" anywhere on the cartridge. There is a "HAH" letters on the inner side of the stylus replacement. The Glanz Logo is on the front side of the cartridge and also on the stylus protector mounted to the cartridge body. The cartridge generator is silver and the stylus replacement is purple on 61 model.

I think Glanz people ordered some special cartridge from Mitachi and they got 61 as the best model, while the Astatic never ordered anything like that. Two different companies in different countries, one OEM in Japan. Astatic is Canadian brand?

Mr. Masataka Hamada who was the developer of “GLANZ” at Mitachi Acoustics, has resurrected “GLANZ” within his own company, Hamada Electric. http://glanz.tech/e/profile/

Glanz now making tonearms: http://glanz.tech/
New address and contact info:
GLANZ 788-5 O-oka Numazu City
Shizuoka, 410-0022, JAPAN
TEL +81 55-963-8712
FAX +81 55-963-8758
@lewm

I am focusing my attention on the eternal debate between chakster and nAndric over the true origins of the glanZ MFG 61 phono cartridge. Surely, that is the most important issue of our day, not the collapse of democracy and liberalism in Europe and the US.


The world situation is rated X, it’s been said back in the 70’s and this is my favorite song for today’s situation. The song was unreleased for 40 years untill now, sounds like it was written yesterday. Pure soul music with the message.
Has anyone tried Denon DA-401 tonearm for high compliance MM cartridges? The headshell is removabale, but unique type, so it's impossible to use any other headshells, except for the Denon shell designed for this tonearm. But the arm must be great for a High Compliance carts like those ADC, Sonus, Grace, Stanton ... 
Luxman TA-1 (made by Micro Seiki) is a much better alternative to Black Widow, perfect for high compliance carts. 
@downunder in fact Technics cartridges are notorius for suspension problems, but people pays grazy prices for those models promoted by Raul, easily $2k or near. He has never explained in this thread how those problems were fixed by Van Den Hul and how much he paid for it (VgH service is extremely expensive). Nandrdic posted that it’s impossible to repair Technics suspension, unfortunately. I’ve had completely refurbished 205c mk4 models, but the whole stylus/cantilever and its housing were replaced (by Axel), so it’s no more the original. The genuine 205c mk4 was much better cartridge, but with failed suspension as 99% of them in this world. Prices for this model is getting up every year, but the buyers are getting a cart (which is impossible to fix) for nearly 2 grands with failed suspension (crazy). At the same time there are many more vintage MM cartridges much better than Technics and those carts designed with better materials, the suspension on my vintage cartridges never fail (except for the Technics). I’ve never seen a Technics 205 series with proper suspension, all of them are bad for this reason and i’ve had many different samples. Same rubber ring has been used on the most expensive 100c mk4 which goes for even higher price than 205c mk4... I don’t know how you guys can use this cartridge (if they are not refurbished). But when they are refurbished by VdH i believe this is no longer an original Technics. People who serviced them with VdH should spread the light how it was possible to "refresh" the suspension without replacing the cantilever and its housing? I have no idea about it, wish to know!

It the beginning of this thread he has raved about that Technics, claimed that’s the best ever MM, but now he clearly stated it was surpassed by some other cartridges. The hype is over.

From the start i realized this is the most problematic cartridge ever! And once i’ve scored the minty original, i soon realized, i have a better cartridges, also japanese vintage MM, but they don’t need expensive service at all. Manufacturer were smarter and suspension never fail even after 30 years.
@downunder i remember that you have it, your comment is interesting:

VDH did some naughty crap without telling me when they put a new stylus onto the cantilever a few years back after it literally fell off.

The VDH stylus is good but certainly does not sound as good as the original.

@knollbrent you see why re-tipping vintage MM is not always a good idea even if the stylus profile is better than the original (low mass elliptical).

This is the reason why i prefer original cartridges.
There is only one Sonus that never came to my radar:
Sonus Dimension 5 which is the best in that series, all lower models are often available for sale on ebay, except that one.

Another cartridge which does not impressed me at all was that top of the line ADC Astrion with sapphire cantilever.

But seriously there are two absolutely amazing MM cartridges, they are impossible to beat: AT-ML180 OFC (Boron/MiroLine) and Grace LEVEL II LC-OFC (Boron/MicroRidge) or F-14 (Beryllium/MicroRidge). For those of you who’re serious about top vintage MM should look for them as the reference! For more organic presentation the Stanton SC-100 WOS (Sapphire-coated cantilever / Stereohedron tip) and Victor X-1II (Beryllium/Shibata) are agreat too. Save your time and money and simply buy the best cartridges instead of some inferiour models from Sonus, ADC etc. If someone will tell your that some rare ADC is more expensive than the most problematic Technics cartridges, do yourself a favour and ignore it. The greatest MM ever made are all under $1500 today, most of them are under $700-1000 max, even in NOS condition. That Technics is the most expensive and overrated cartridge because of the Mexican thread, but 99% of the NOS sampes are all dead, after you will play one side of the record the cartridge almost lay down to the record surface (this is the best example how BAD is the suspension of Technics 100cmk4 or 205c mk4 cartridges). None of the vintage MM cartridges from many other manufacturers have such problem with suspension! So they are better and does not require crazy investment in refurbishing with VdH (his prices for service are the highest on the planet) who can not stay with original parts and most likely will refurbish the cartridge with different parts/material, most likely will replace the whole cantilever/stylus assemply with something different). No one on this forum can explain what VdH does with several samples of the Technics, so we don’t even know was a cartridge completely refurbished or not, but people just keep paying him rediculous fee for service. I’ve seen and owned various refurbished Technics 100c mk3 and 205c mk4 all of them were refurbished by experiences and respected vendors with completely different cantilevers/styli and that was the only was to keep them alive. Original Technic have unique cantilever (hollow pipe boron) and lowest effective mass stylus, replaceing them will change the sound! Many japanese manufacturers such as Audio-Technica made better cartridges with better styli and better cantilevers, those carts never ever had so many problems as the Technics.  

Don’t waste your time and money for retipping/refurbishing top vintage MM cartridges, they will never be as good as the originals, also the main benefit of MM design is a stylus replacement which can be purchased separately (NOS) even for some very rare models. Your MC does not have this option and this is the reason why i prefer an MM/MI/MF/IM instead of MC in many cases.
Even an Grace F-9 with F-14 MicroRidge stylus (much better than any F-9 original stylus) sounds different but not better.

Because the F-9 signal generator is an old generation of Grace compared to the the High-End F-12 and F-14, you have to use your RS14 stylus on F-14 LC-OFC generator if you really want to hear the best from Grace. Those are designed in the late 80’s. The styli for F14 and LEVEL II are different LineContact type and MicroRidge and cantilevers are also can be Sapphire, Beryllium, Boron, Ruby.

Grace LEVEL-II LC-OFC is also superior to any other Grace models, as a final attention to detail, even the output terminals are constructed of LC OFC copper. This meticulous care and attention given to every minute detail in both the vibration and generator systems has resulted a significant improvement in the performance and sound quality. In other words the Grace F14 and LEVEL II are luxury models.

But I can’t see anything special in the specs for ADC-26 IM cartridge:

Output: 4mv at 55 cms/sec recorded velocity

Tracking force: 0.7g

Frequency response: 10Hz to 24kHz +- 2dB

Stylus: Elliptical contact 0.3 x 0.7

Cantilever: Aluminum

Channel Separation: 30db

Compliance: 50cu


What i can see in the original ADC-26 manual is the $20 price for the stylus exchange. This ADC was designed and made in the 60’s. The cartridge was relatively cheap and it looks like very cheap cartridge with mediorce specs and material used (cantilever, stylus tip, cartridge body). Here is some info from the Japanese source.  



@adc-grace welcome on board

Looking at your nickname i thought you’re specializing in Grace and ADC :) You’re right, the F14 and LEVEL II are the rarest Grace MM cartridges. The Asakura’s ONE is the rarest Grace LOMC (amazing cartridge).
Audiogon these days is like fake news sometimes.

@adc-grace we need your clarification, because Grace deserve respect, do you own the original Grace F14 or LEVEL-2 models or you are comparing your $100-200 ADC 26 to F-9 with the stylus from F-14?

The $400 F-9 is nowere near the $1400 F-14 cartridge.

Which exact model F-14 stylus do you have on your F-9 cartridge?

P.S. the OP is trying to sell his ADC 26 in another thread, so this is just the advertising with caps lock in title? I just don't get it. 
@nandric 

The mass of moving parts is obviously important because all cart producers try to reduce this mass .Lighter cantilever, micro ridge styli  and low uitput coils with as little wire as possible are examples. This is actually the reason for the preference for low-output MC cartridges. However MI cartridges have the lowest moving mass of all cart kinds.


Then why my Grado Signature XTZ (MI) is not the "best cartridge in the world" ? 


Why FR-7fz is so good being huge, superheavy low compliance monster ? 


And why some MM cartridges like Grace F14 and LEVEL-II or AT-ML180 are so good? 


@adc-grace
Forgive me if i asked before, but i'm curious, have you tried the ADC TRX-2 (Sapphire Cantilever / Vital Diamond) in comparison to your different ADC models ?  
@nandric so you like ADC 26 too ? I'm surprised, because i can imagine when the last time you have ever used MM or MI cartidge, i think that was the days then i was in high school :)  
I’m glad you’re back @nandric

Look, accoring to the spanish speaking in this thread:

The best MM/MI cartridge is with out doubt the AKG P100LE followed by Astatic MF-2500 and others as the JVC X1MK2 or the Technics EPC 100CMK4 but no one of them can even the quality performance levels of the ADC 26. The ADC is in a different league " the major league ".

I compared the 26/27 against the Colibri, Ortofon A95, Lyra Etna, My Sonic Labs Supereminent ( I think ? ? ) Dynavector XV-1s, Clearaudio Goldfinger and some other vintage top MC designs. No one of them beats overall the ADC 26.

and for this reason he decided to sell his "ADC 26 BEST CARTRIDGE EVER? " (he wrote it with caps-lock as usual). Can you imagine? I saw his post where he's selling that "best ever" ADC

How would you comment the logic behind this decision ? Just curious :)

I would beliebe more if your statement about ADC and your 40 MM and a dosen on LOMC cartridges will be the same.

Also i think you would play all the record only with ADC 26 (not with Ikeda) if the quality of this cartridge is so high compared to others.

Right ?





@adc-grace

What only one day in high school?!?

He could stay with "MM/MI sound" for one day or one night only, haha

... and then to mount his cantilever-less Ikeda LOMC cartridge back for full enjoyment. 

p.s. i also like cartridges designed by Ikeda. 





@lewm maybe you missed his post in another thread where he said he's taking serious offers on his "best ever" ADC, link to this "review" has been provided. I have nothing to add about his methodology of product placement. 

I can't remember i have ever started a thread or review just to sell any of my spares. Can't remember that someone like Nandric did the same or anyone else, did you? We can recommend nice carts when people ask for it. I can't say which cart "is the best ever." Each Raul's cart is the best ever in his opinion, but in his own world only. 

In my opinion if any cartridge cost a lot there is a reason for it, first reason in material used (cantilever, diamond profile, coil wire etc, cartridge body etc) and overall condition, rarity and market demand for it. There is also price statistics available for everyone. 

The ADC 26 is $200 cartridge with cheap body, average stylus and cantilever. Designed in the 60's before your XLM, long before my TRX-2, before any Sonus. The 60's isn't the best time for hi-fi cartridges, but the OP claimed it was the best Pritchard's design, so Pritchard has not been able even to upgrade his carts in the 70's, even with his Sonus brand after ADC? You are free to believe. 
@lewm 

Chakster, but who are you to declare what is the value of this or that cartridge or tonearm?

I do not declare value myself, i just search statistics of sales in the internet and anyone can do that if a person know how to use internet. I have also published a valid japanese source with the actual price from the 60s and 70s for certain cartridges including ADS 26 before you have posted that you don't know when this cartridge was released. Do you read my posts? I have a bunch of rare cartridges because i search for them everyday anywhere in the world and i know the market value pretty well. Each of my post actually contains a useful links, maybe you never checked them and someone always complain to the moderator for some reason, asking to remove my post with links for ADS sales for very low price. Guess who was that person and why he did it?  

Also i believe the mention of the prices on the public forum can only HELP users not to be ripped-off. 

If you need ADC 26 just buy from Raul, i think you have no problem with that. 

The one for 175 Euro (ADC 26 in the box) from Netherlands here you have just missed, sorry.

See how fast my post will be removed with no reason .
@lewm it was J.Carr you has mentioned this new cartridge on our forum first, it was last year if i remember correct. Being a Grace fan i’m pround the ex Grace engineer invented this brand new cartridge. The name is TOP WING and they made two models, this is another model TOP WING Suzaku (Red Sparrow)  http://topwing.jp/RedSparrow-en.html
@adc-grace

 Yesterday I did a little try. Had a look on one of my ADC 25 styli and a Sonus Gold Styli (Pathemax diamond). So I changed the ADC cantilever with the Sonus cantilever. It fits. Perhaps not perfect, but enough to get an impression how the ADC works with a sharper diamond. What should I say? Yes it is better than the original diamond.

Sure, then why not to change the cantilever?



So I will do the same as Raul. Try to get a modern diamond from a good retip service.

It's optional, but if you agree that stylus does matter, i hope you agree that cantilever does matter too. Then summarise the cost of the High-End cantilever and High-End Stylus you're getting closer to the price of the completely different vintage cartridge with those types of cantilever and stylus already installed by original designer somewhere in the 80s. For example Grace products, if you will change just the stylus on your Grace you will upgrade the cartridge/sound. They made Boron/MicroRidge and Beryllium/MicroRidge, they are all high compliance. There is a HUGE difference between Aluminum/Elliptical and Boron/MicroRidge styli made by Grace (in my experience). So this brand's designers were smart enough to make many different styli (different cantilevers and diamonds) for their customers who would like to upgrade, so they don't need to retip or refurbish their carts with third-party vendors. Unfortunately ADC and its "genious" designer does not offer such option for his customers, no wonder why, because his ADC 26 was designed back in the 60s, when they can not even dream about Hi-Fi cartridges that appeared on the market only in the 70's and reached Ultra High-End quality only in the 80's.   

So the story about 60's ADC MI remind me a story about 60's Denon 103 MC. Owners are happy to invest more in their 60's cartridges instead of investing in the proper cartridges made with better styli/cantilevers a bit later in the 70's. There are many, but i'm not sure how many did you tried? 

The ADC 25 couldn´t be that good etc....This is no expensive cartridge. If you own a lightweight tonearm just try it! You will be impressed for sure.But I also understand you. Couldn´t believe it too a few years ago. Tried it, but only on an Technics SL1210. It was good, but the tonearm didn´t match the cartridge. Now on the light tonearm it is just wonderful.
 
I;m surious what do you think about Denon DA-401 toneam for High-Compliance cartridges? Or Technics EPA-100 and EPA-100 mkII toneamrs for High Compliance cartridges ? Or Victor UA-7045 toneam? 

To my surprice some of the a'gon members are happy to use high Compliance MM even on Fidelity-Research FR64s high mass tonearm. I have the arm, but i haven't tried any MM on it yet. 

P.S. Where is ADC MI today ?
But this is a brand new Coreless Straight-Flux Cartridge from ex Grace engineer, interesting one (for $12 000). 


@nandric

Each cart of the month sky rocketed in price after Raul’s recommendation. I hope the same because I own this precious ADC 26.


Good point, i think this is the reason why the OP promotes so high his cheap ADC in this thread while in another thread he post a comment that he acccept offers, comparing his cheap ADC to some very expensive LOMC. But it’s absurd because we are all knew that he prefer LOMC nowadays, not MM/MI like it was decades ago.


A person who always contradict to himself:

-Years ago he was fighting people for superiority of MM/MI over LOMC

-Later the same person claimed it was a mistake and he has learned that LOMC are so much better.

-And finally posted this review claiming the cheapest $200 MI ADC 25/27 is equal to his best of the best LOMC (and for this reason he’s selling this gem, his new discovery). Can you believe it ?


I assume that he was right years ago about superiority of MI over MC, but why later he start posting in his own MM thread that LOMC are better ?


Would anyone trust a reviewer who became a seller and selling products from his own review ? This tactic is so bizarre. Not sure who is his target audience here?


P.S. Of cource we’re all have too many cartridges and we’re are all selling some of them from time to time, but the way we’re doing it is so different compared to a Mexican way.


The prices for some vintage cartridge goes up because of the market demands and rarity. The review can rise up a demand, but can’t rise up the rarity. Also price statistic can not be deleted from the internet, no matter how much our Mexical can ask for his "gem" pretending not to be a seller.






@lewm

Chakster uses a Reed 3P tonearm, 12 inches in length, made of Cocobolo. He has apparently mounted more than one high compliance cartridge on that tonearm which would have an effective mass at least equal to that of an FR 64S, or maybe even an FR 66S. So de facto he has done the experiment.

At the moment i have 4 arms on my 2 turntables in the main system:

FR-64fx with FR-7fz LOMC
Victor UA-7082 (long) with Sony XL-55 MM
SONY PUA-7 with Ortofon MC-2000 LOMC
Lustre GST-801 Silver Wire has been tested with FR PMC-3 LOMC and now free of cartridge, will add my Piconeer PC-1000 mkII back soon.

Normally Lustre and Victor are the arms where i can use MM/MI

Waiting my audition:
FR-64s with B-60 base (where i’m gonna use my Miyabi MCA)
Denon DA-401 for all my High-compliance MM like Grace
Technics EPA-100 which i’ve bought again last month (also for MM)

Something that i can’t use on my Luxman PD-444:
Technics EPA-100 mkII (must be on Victor TT-101 if i will fix that TT)

Something that i have not used on Luxman PD-444 yet:
Reed 3P "12 Cocobolo (it was my reference on Technics SP-10mkII) and it was fantastic with Glanz 61, Victor X-1II, Stanton 980 etc, AT-ML180 etc. BUT the effective mass of reed is 18g (without cartridge mass and screws).



All said above is BS that comes from the same person who raved about several MM cartridges over the years with exactly the same comments, last time is was the Astacis FM2500 claimed to be "the best of the best" and many other cartridges. In fact NOS EPC100cmk4 was available for sale this year along with several NOS samples of EPC205c mk4, so don’t pretend to be elitist. No one can fix those cartridges, anyone can ask jpjones who is a Technics collector and own many of them including top models. Refurbished cartridges is not what a true collectors looking for, they does NOT have an original "Technics sound" and for this reason there are many better cartridges, an original ones from the same era. J.Carr also commented that there is NO technical advantages in the design of that 100c mk4, there is nothing special in the generator. In my opinion two versions of the AT-ML180 are much better (OFC with gold plated Boron Cantilever and OCC with Gold plated Beryllium cantilever) and there is no problem with suspension at all, some top of the line Grace models (Level II and F-14) are amazing and all of them have exotic Boron cantilevers and much better styli (Micro Ridge), there are more great cartridges from that era too.

What the OP should learn is English language.
Many english speaking persons pointed him to the "ignorant" word, but this idi*t continue to use it and addressed it to many audiogon members preneding to be a Oracle of High-End, but in fact he's an egoistic and very rude person. Once he has crossed the red line in communication on puplic forum, no respect anymore!  

At the same time he is a person who left unpaid bill for many thousands euros from his ex re-tipper in Germany. It’s been said here on audiogon by another member who knew that re-tipper (now retired) in person. Would you trust this person ? No way.


Instead everyone if free to find the best cartridges to judge them individually. But destroying some unique original cartridges, refurbishing them with different parts is the last thing to do for any serious collectors/audiophiles. For a fans of VdH there are VdH cartridges available new or used.


do it a favor and don’t follow ignorant people because you will or are contaminated by.


All said above by Raul is BS. It comes from the same person who raved about several MM cartridges over the years with exactly the same comments, last time is was the Astatic FM2500 claimed to be "the best of the best" and many other cartridges. In fact NOS EPC100cmk4 was available for sale this year along with several NOS samples of EPC205c mk4, so don’t pretend to be elitist. No one can fix those cartridges, anyone can ask jpjones who is a Technics collector and own many of them including top models. Refurbished cartridges is not what a true collectors looking for, they does NOT have an original "Technics sound" and for this reason there are many better cartridges, an original ones from the same era. J.Carr also commented that there is NO technical advantages in the design of that 100c mk4, there is nothing special in the generator. In my opinion two versions of the AT-ML180 are much better (OFC with gold plated Boron Cantilever and OCC with Gold plated Beryllium cantilever) and there is no problem with suspension at all, some top of the line Grace models (Level II and F-14) are amazing and all of them have exotic Boron cantilevers and much better styli (Micro Ridge), there are more great cartridges from that era too.

What the OP should learn is English language.
Many english speaking persons pointed him to the "ignorant" word he used before, but this id**t continue to use it and addressed it to many audiogon members preneding to be a Oracle of High-End, but in fact he’s an egoistic and very rude person. Once he has crossed the red line in communication on puplic forum, no respect anymore!

At the same time he is a person who left unpaid bill for many thousands euros from his ex re-tipper in Germany. It’s been said here on audiogon by another member who knew that re-tipper (now retired) in person. Would you trust this person ? No way.


Instead everyone if free to find the best cartridges to judge them individually. But destroying some unique original cartridges, refurbishing them with different parts is the last thing to do for any serious collectors/audiophiles. For a fans of VdH there are VdH cartridges available new or used.
do it a favor and don’t follow ignorant people because you will or are contaminated by.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.


It comes from the same person who raved about several MM cartridges over the years with exactly the same comments, last time is was the Astatic FM2500 claimed to be "the best of the best" and many other cartridges. In fact NOS EPC100cmk4 was available for sale this year along with several NOS samples of EPC205c mk4, so don’t pretend to be elitist. No one can fix those cartridges, anyone can ask jpjones who is a Technics collector and own many of them including top models. Refurbished cartridges is not what a true collectors looking for, they does NOT have an original "Technics sound" and for this reason there are many better cartridges, an original ones from the same era. J.Carr also commented that there is NO technical advantages in the design of that 100c mk4, there is nothing special in the generator. In my opinion two versions of the AT-ML180 are much better (OFC with gold plated Boron Cantilever and OCC with Gold plated Beryllium cantilever) and there is no problem with suspension at all, some top of the line Grace models (Level II and F-14) are amazing and all of them have exotic Boron cantilevers and much better styli (Micro Ridge), there are more great cartridges from that era too.

What the OP should learn is English language.
Many english speaking persons pointed him to the "ignorant" word he used before, but he continue to use it and addressed it to many audiogon members preneding to be a Oracle of High-End, but in fact he’s an egoistic and very rude person. Once he has crossed the red line in communication on puplic forum, no respect anymore!

At the same time he is a person who left unpaid bill for many thousands euros from his ex re-tipper in Germany. It’s been said here on audiogon by another member who knew that re-tipper (now retired) in person. Would you trust this person ? No way.


Instead everyone is free to find the best cartridges to judge them individually. But destroying some unique original cartridges, refurbishing them with different parts is the last thing to do for any serious collectors/audiophiles. For a fans of VdH there are VdH cartridges available new or used.
@nandric 

The price for ADC 26 was 22 000 YEN in Japan in the 70's:
https://audio-heritage.jp/ADC/etc/adc-26.html

and it's about the same as not even the best Victor X-1IIe 23 000 YEN at that time:
https://audio-heritage.jp/VICTOR/etc/x-1iie.html

But Victor X-1IIe has titanium cantilever and it's MM type with much better frequency response and "normal" compliance for any tonearm, price for Victor X-1IIe (for example) today is about $300-500 (used) and we have long statistics (sales history).

At the same time the TRX-2 is widely popular with its exotic cantilevers and Vital Diamond Profile and today price is $300-700 max (depends on condition).

So what's the reason for a 60's design of the cartridge with Aluminum cantilever and Elliptical tip to be more expensive than very popular models with exotic materials (the TRX designed by Nakatsuka San, now ZYX) ?

There is no demand for ADC 26 and people who sold that cartridge normally asked very low price for it, because nobody needs it. Even in Netherlands (especially for you my friend), the cost is 175 euro nowadays, look here: https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/audio-tv-en-foto/platenspelers-en-pick-ups/m1375530213-orgineel-adc-26-stereo-element.html

Of course, like our Maxican, enyone could ask crazy price for any cartridge and even create a special thread to sell it for astronomic price with promising title "the best ever?", but normally some smart buyers will look at the price statistic first. If there is no demand for a cartridge the price will never be as high as you suggested. The ADC 26 and related models in this series is extremely cheap in Tokyo, i've seen auction results and this is the reason i said it's a $100 cartridge today, well maybe NOS in the box could be $200-300. In the USA they must be even cheaper.

So as i said, not bad for $100 cartridge.