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ADC 26 BEST PRITCHARD CARTRIDGE EVER? or BEST CARTRIDGE EVER?
Dear friends: I always said that each day is a learning day and if like me that from several years now think always " out of the box " many of you will find out great rewards that audio always has for us as an unexpected gifts.
Obviously that’s not easy to think " out of the box " because to do that we have to have a different kind of self attitude where between other things we must to forget for ever at least the 50% of all the information we learned through our audio life in the AHEE. With out that " forget " we just can’t do it.
This review is more than an usual audio item review for many reasons I will try to explain over the thread.
First I want to leave very clear my room/audio system main target: STAY TRUER TO THE RECORDING.
To achieve that we have to think that usually the recording microphones are positioned at very near field of the MUSIC sources even like in the 3 Blind Mice recordings: inside the instruments. Recording microphones are not " seated " at 20m-35m. from the source as usually we listen when attend to a live acoustical music event. So we have to have self experiences of live MUSIC seated at near field. If some of us do not have that kind experiences then is very dificult to understand what I’m talking about here and elsewhere.
OK, the ADC 26 cartridge is a vintage Induced Magnet invented motor design by Peter Pritchard ( that pass away. ), it’s not a MM or MI or MC kind of cartridge design. Here you can read about and on his patent and a little of his audio life history:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/peter-pritchard
The cartridge under review is this:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2ihw6yo.jpg
that is part of the ADC 25, 26 and 27 cartridge family.
This is the ADC 25:
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/download/file.php?id=31979
and this the ADC 27:
https://adelcom.net/ADC-adc%2027.JPG
and here the ADC 26 specs ( please take note those 15° stylus tip mounted angle. ):
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/adc/26.shtml
As you can see and read all seems very old and rudimentary with really humble cartridge specs ( nothing spectacular down there. ) where the elliptical stylus is: 0.03 x 0.07.
The ADC 25 red dot stylus ( exist the red blue 0.03 x 0.09 and the white dot. ) is similar to the 26 and the ADC 27 change is that is the same 26 stylus type but nude. I own all those models that comes with the same cartridge body but different color and where the cartridge motor in the 26 and 27 is similar and the cartridge differs only in the stylus and that the compliance instead 50 cu as in the 25 and 26 is " only " 40cu.
All these cartridges are my oldest ones ( comes from the 60’s. ) that I bougth years ago when started the very long MM Agon thread and I remember that I mentioned there the 25 and 26 but almost no one took cares about not even me because I really never gave it the enougth listening time to those cartridges and was only like a month ago that I really discovery this fenomenal, outstanding, astonishing and " perfect " performer.
When you listen it you are not listen as if was alike MM/MI/electrect cartridges but more as a live event/truer to the recording with some characteristics only shared for the best of the best LOMC cartridges.
I made my self developed evaluation proccess where I’m deep trained and is almost " bullet proof ".
The best MM/MI cartridge is with out doubt the AKG P100LE followed by Astatic MF-2500 and others as the JVC X1MK2 or the Technics EPC 100CMK4 but no one of them can even the quality performance levels of the ADC 26. The ADC is in a different league " the major league ".
I compared the 26/27 against the Colibri, Ortofon A95, Lyra Etna, My Sonic Labs Supereminent ( I think ? ? ) Dynavector XV-1s, Clearaudio Goldfinger and some other vintage top MC designs. No one of them beats overall the ADC 26.
The main 26 characteristics to beat belongs at both frequency extremes where if we want first rate quality performance there first condition is the transient response/attack of the music notes and develops of harmonics along the decay timing that’s where exist clear differences in between MC cartridges and all the other kind of designs. Nothing but the 26/27 compares with a top LOMC cartridges in those regards.
The transient response and fast timing decay in the low of the bass range is second to none and " mimic " what we can listen in a live event at nearfield position. With out this " sole " characteristic MUSIC as MUSIC just can’t exist and is here where belongs the MUSIC foundation.
At the other frequency extreme things are more of the bass range quality performance. In both frequency range it’s not only the rigthness of the transient response but the notes definition its very clear distinction in between and its harmonics. Exist no overhang or bold sound. At the high frequency range ( at the top. ) nothing can beats a Colibri 0.22mv output and the only contender for is precesily these ADC 26/27 ! !
As you can see the 26/27 specs says not very wide frequency range but when listen to it you can sware it goes from 5hz to over 100khz but the more important issue is the clear definition. When the timing in those frequency ranges are spot on then the overall MUSIC rythm is just spectacular and makes and moves all your feelings and body.
We all hear through all our body not only through our ears. We hear through the skin, bones, skind hair and millions of nervous terminations in the body and when you are listening to the ADC 26/27 all those have a true meaning as never before.
What about soundstage, layering, inner detail and the like: just very first rate. Tonal balance is outstanding nothing at the broad wide frequency range tells you " hey: I’m here ", exist a true coherence in between all frequency ranges.
Yes, it’s a UNIQUE listen experience a NEW listen experience coming from a very older cartridge and YES is the best Pritchard design and if you think that you already own the best cartridge ever you need to experience the ADC 26/27. I compared against the best out there in the same system with the same tonearms and same everything.
Was not only me but some other audiophiles friends where at least one of them is a music player. This one is a drummer/batery player and when he was at my place I run ( between other LPs. ) the Sheffield D2D with Ron Tutt and Jim Keltner great drummers with out telling him which cartridge was playing and my friend that’s a true expert with those instruments and golden ear by nature was " jaws dropping " and it’s because is incredible the TRUE of that kind of sound coming from the ADC’s
. This recording specially is something to listen through the 26/27 at 95db SPL with peaks in the 100db neigborhood, you can touch the sound and cut it with a sizzers ! ! !. It’s amazing.
The ADC never lost its aplomb no matters at what SPL you are listening from 70db to over 95dbs .
Every single good recording " sings " as never before of all what I experienced in my system and several other top audio systems.
One of the best MUSIC LP for testing any audio item is the Telarc 1812 and not because the cannon shots but overall frequency ranges that’s always a challenge for any cartridge andd for any audio system in other frequency ranges than the bass range.
No one of the other top LOMC cartridges can even overall the ADC 26/27 quality performance levels in this LP recording in all the frequency range other than the very low bass where the ADC beats to all of them.
I running the ADC 26 at 1.1grs and due ot its very high compliance ( 50cu. ) and cartridge body design is a very low rider when the 27 is only a low rider.
As with other top LOMC cartridges the alignment set up is critical but with the ADC 26 we have to do it with the best accuracy we can and with the VTA/SRA tiny/sligthly up at the tonearm bearing. This VTA/SRA is critical and as always not only depends of the accuracy overall set up but room system dependent.
That explosiveness, power, dynamics, transient response, thightness, flow, true tonal balance agresiveness, natural brigthness, rythm that usually exist only in a live MUSIC event with the ADC 26/27 you can feel that never was in your home audio system as nearer as with these ADC cartridges.
Those audiophiles terms as: lush, organic, color, smothness, bold, and the like does not exist through these " truer to the recording " performers. Those audiophiles terms/characteristics of sound just does not exist in the nearfield MUSIC live events are only characteristics " invented by the AHEE and very far away from reality.
The ADC 26/27 as the very top LOMC cartridges are made it for true music lovers more than for " audiophiles ".
I think that in the 60’s the ADC 26/27 you can get fro no more than 80.00 and today can compete against 15K+ LOMC cartridges.
This all new experience through the ADC 26/27 bcartridges came in the best moment when I 'm more mature in all subjects with MUSIC and audio and when my room audio system is at its best with all the up-dates and up-grades I can afford bor the better.
As always your contributions in the thread all are welcomed and appreciated.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Obviously that’s not easy to think " out of the box " because to do that we have to have a different kind of self attitude where between other things we must to forget for ever at least the 50% of all the information we learned through our audio life in the AHEE. With out that " forget " we just can’t do it.
This review is more than an usual audio item review for many reasons I will try to explain over the thread.
First I want to leave very clear my room/audio system main target: STAY TRUER TO THE RECORDING.
To achieve that we have to think that usually the recording microphones are positioned at very near field of the MUSIC sources even like in the 3 Blind Mice recordings: inside the instruments. Recording microphones are not " seated " at 20m-35m. from the source as usually we listen when attend to a live acoustical music event. So we have to have self experiences of live MUSIC seated at near field. If some of us do not have that kind experiences then is very dificult to understand what I’m talking about here and elsewhere.
OK, the ADC 26 cartridge is a vintage Induced Magnet invented motor design by Peter Pritchard ( that pass away. ), it’s not a MM or MI or MC kind of cartridge design. Here you can read about and on his patent and a little of his audio life history:
https://www.stereophile.com/content/peter-pritchard
The cartridge under review is this:
http://i41.tinypic.com/2ihw6yo.jpg
that is part of the ADC 25, 26 and 27 cartridge family.
This is the ADC 25:
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/download/file.php?id=31979
and this the ADC 27:
https://adelcom.net/ADC-adc%2027.JPG
and here the ADC 26 specs ( please take note those 15° stylus tip mounted angle. ):
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/adc/26.shtml
As you can see and read all seems very old and rudimentary with really humble cartridge specs ( nothing spectacular down there. ) where the elliptical stylus is: 0.03 x 0.07.
The ADC 25 red dot stylus ( exist the red blue 0.03 x 0.09 and the white dot. ) is similar to the 26 and the ADC 27 change is that is the same 26 stylus type but nude. I own all those models that comes with the same cartridge body but different color and where the cartridge motor in the 26 and 27 is similar and the cartridge differs only in the stylus and that the compliance instead 50 cu as in the 25 and 26 is " only " 40cu.
All these cartridges are my oldest ones ( comes from the 60’s. ) that I bougth years ago when started the very long MM Agon thread and I remember that I mentioned there the 25 and 26 but almost no one took cares about not even me because I really never gave it the enougth listening time to those cartridges and was only like a month ago that I really discovery this fenomenal, outstanding, astonishing and " perfect " performer.
When you listen it you are not listen as if was alike MM/MI/electrect cartridges but more as a live event/truer to the recording with some characteristics only shared for the best of the best LOMC cartridges.
I made my self developed evaluation proccess where I’m deep trained and is almost " bullet proof ".
The best MM/MI cartridge is with out doubt the AKG P100LE followed by Astatic MF-2500 and others as the JVC X1MK2 or the Technics EPC 100CMK4 but no one of them can even the quality performance levels of the ADC 26. The ADC is in a different league " the major league ".
I compared the 26/27 against the Colibri, Ortofon A95, Lyra Etna, My Sonic Labs Supereminent ( I think ? ? ) Dynavector XV-1s, Clearaudio Goldfinger and some other vintage top MC designs. No one of them beats overall the ADC 26.
The main 26 characteristics to beat belongs at both frequency extremes where if we want first rate quality performance there first condition is the transient response/attack of the music notes and develops of harmonics along the decay timing that’s where exist clear differences in between MC cartridges and all the other kind of designs. Nothing but the 26/27 compares with a top LOMC cartridges in those regards.
The transient response and fast timing decay in the low of the bass range is second to none and " mimic " what we can listen in a live event at nearfield position. With out this " sole " characteristic MUSIC as MUSIC just can’t exist and is here where belongs the MUSIC foundation.
At the other frequency extreme things are more of the bass range quality performance. In both frequency range it’s not only the rigthness of the transient response but the notes definition its very clear distinction in between and its harmonics. Exist no overhang or bold sound. At the high frequency range ( at the top. ) nothing can beats a Colibri 0.22mv output and the only contender for is precesily these ADC 26/27 ! !
As you can see the 26/27 specs says not very wide frequency range but when listen to it you can sware it goes from 5hz to over 100khz but the more important issue is the clear definition. When the timing in those frequency ranges are spot on then the overall MUSIC rythm is just spectacular and makes and moves all your feelings and body.
We all hear through all our body not only through our ears. We hear through the skin, bones, skind hair and millions of nervous terminations in the body and when you are listening to the ADC 26/27 all those have a true meaning as never before.
What about soundstage, layering, inner detail and the like: just very first rate. Tonal balance is outstanding nothing at the broad wide frequency range tells you " hey: I’m here ", exist a true coherence in between all frequency ranges.
Yes, it’s a UNIQUE listen experience a NEW listen experience coming from a very older cartridge and YES is the best Pritchard design and if you think that you already own the best cartridge ever you need to experience the ADC 26/27. I compared against the best out there in the same system with the same tonearms and same everything.
Was not only me but some other audiophiles friends where at least one of them is a music player. This one is a drummer/batery player and when he was at my place I run ( between other LPs. ) the Sheffield D2D with Ron Tutt and Jim Keltner great drummers with out telling him which cartridge was playing and my friend that’s a true expert with those instruments and golden ear by nature was " jaws dropping " and it’s because is incredible the TRUE of that kind of sound coming from the ADC’s
. This recording specially is something to listen through the 26/27 at 95db SPL with peaks in the 100db neigborhood, you can touch the sound and cut it with a sizzers ! ! !. It’s amazing.
The ADC never lost its aplomb no matters at what SPL you are listening from 70db to over 95dbs .
Every single good recording " sings " as never before of all what I experienced in my system and several other top audio systems.
One of the best MUSIC LP for testing any audio item is the Telarc 1812 and not because the cannon shots but overall frequency ranges that’s always a challenge for any cartridge andd for any audio system in other frequency ranges than the bass range.
No one of the other top LOMC cartridges can even overall the ADC 26/27 quality performance levels in this LP recording in all the frequency range other than the very low bass where the ADC beats to all of them.
I running the ADC 26 at 1.1grs and due ot its very high compliance ( 50cu. ) and cartridge body design is a very low rider when the 27 is only a low rider.
As with other top LOMC cartridges the alignment set up is critical but with the ADC 26 we have to do it with the best accuracy we can and with the VTA/SRA tiny/sligthly up at the tonearm bearing. This VTA/SRA is critical and as always not only depends of the accuracy overall set up but room system dependent.
That explosiveness, power, dynamics, transient response, thightness, flow, true tonal balance agresiveness, natural brigthness, rythm that usually exist only in a live MUSIC event with the ADC 26/27 you can feel that never was in your home audio system as nearer as with these ADC cartridges.
Those audiophiles terms as: lush, organic, color, smothness, bold, and the like does not exist through these " truer to the recording " performers. Those audiophiles terms/characteristics of sound just does not exist in the nearfield MUSIC live events are only characteristics " invented by the AHEE and very far away from reality.
The ADC 26/27 as the very top LOMC cartridges are made it for true music lovers more than for " audiophiles ".
I think that in the 60’s the ADC 26/27 you can get fro no more than 80.00 and today can compete against 15K+ LOMC cartridges.
This all new experience through the ADC 26/27 bcartridges came in the best moment when I 'm more mature in all subjects with MUSIC and audio and when my room audio system is at its best with all the up-dates and up-grades I can afford bor the better.
As always your contributions in the thread all are welcomed and appreciated.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
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do it a favor and don’t follow ignorant people because you will or are contaminated by. All said above by Raul is BS. It comes from the same person who raved about several MM cartridges over the years with exactly the same comments, last time is was the Astatic FM2500 claimed to be "the best of the best" and many other cartridges. In fact NOS EPC100cmk4 was available for sale this year along with several NOS samples of EPC205c mk4, so don’t pretend to be elitist. No one can fix those cartridges, anyone can ask jpjones who is a Technics collector and own many of them including top models. Refurbished cartridges is not what a true collectors looking for, they does NOT have an original "Technics sound" and for this reason there are many better cartridges, an original ones from the same era. J.Carr also commented that there is NO technical advantages in the design of that 100c mk4, there is nothing special in the generator. In my opinion two versions of the AT-ML180 are much better (OFC with gold plated Boron Cantilever and OCC with Gold plated Beryllium cantilever) and there is no problem with suspension at all, some top of the line Grace models (Level II and F-14) are amazing and all of them have exotic Boron cantilevers and much better styli (Micro Ridge), there are more great cartridges from that era too. What the OP should learn is English language. Many english speaking persons pointed him to the "ignorant" word he used before, but this id**t continue to use it and addressed it to many audiogon members preneding to be a Oracle of High-End, but in fact he’s an egoistic and very rude person. Once he has crossed the red line in communication on puplic forum, no respect anymore! At the same time he is a person who left unpaid bill for many thousands euros from his ex re-tipper in Germany. It’s been said here on audiogon by another member who knew that re-tipper (now retired) in person. Would you trust this person ? No way. Instead everyone if free to find the best cartridges to judge them individually. But destroying some unique original cartridges, refurbishing them with different parts is the last thing to do for any serious collectors/audiophiles. For a fans of VdH there are VdH cartridges available new or used. |
do it a favor and don’t follow ignorant people because you will or are contaminated by. It comes from the same person who raved about several MM cartridges over the years with exactly the same comments, last time is was the Astatic FM2500 claimed to be "the best of the best" and many other cartridges. In fact NOS EPC100cmk4 was available for sale this year along with several NOS samples of EPC205c mk4, so don’t pretend to be elitist. No one can fix those cartridges, anyone can ask jpjones who is a Technics collector and own many of them including top models. Refurbished cartridges is not what a true collectors looking for, they does NOT have an original "Technics sound" and for this reason there are many better cartridges, an original ones from the same era. J.Carr also commented that there is NO technical advantages in the design of that 100c mk4, there is nothing special in the generator. In my opinion two versions of the AT-ML180 are much better (OFC with gold plated Boron Cantilever and OCC with Gold plated Beryllium cantilever) and there is no problem with suspension at all, some top of the line Grace models (Level II and F-14) are amazing and all of them have exotic Boron cantilevers and much better styli (Micro Ridge), there are more great cartridges from that era too. What the OP should learn is English language. Many english speaking persons pointed him to the "ignorant" word he used before, but he continue to use it and addressed it to many audiogon members preneding to be a Oracle of High-End, but in fact he’s an egoistic and very rude person. Once he has crossed the red line in communication on puplic forum, no respect anymore! At the same time he is a person who left unpaid bill for many thousands euros from his ex re-tipper in Germany. It’s been said here on audiogon by another member who knew that re-tipper (now retired) in person. Would you trust this person ? No way. Instead everyone is free to find the best cartridges to judge them individually. But destroying some unique original cartridges, refurbishing them with different parts is the last thing to do for any serious collectors/audiophiles. For a fans of VdH there are VdH cartridges available new or used. |
Dear @downunder : For almost a year you was listening to the original cartridge till came down. As I posted my sample falls down before and I send it to a re-ttiper whom return the cartridge because he can’t fixed and was then when I remembered about the VDH past relation ship with that cartridge and was there where was fixed and that’s why I gave my advise when you look for help in those times. I knew that the VDH fixed cartridge came with solid boron cantilever and with the great VDH stylus instead the original elliptical. My reaction when I started to listening to it was the same you had in what you posted in that link. I was really satisfied with. I’m not an expert building or designing cartridges, my ignorance levels about are really high so I never cared what VDH made to fix it because the subject was that the cartridge probabilities to fix it were really low so that they did it was a true achievement and as I said I was satisfied with is high quality level performance as you was. The original elliptical stylus tip is not superior to the VdH one, the real difference is in the set up where is more easy to find out the spot on VTA/SRA/AZ/VTF in the elliptical than in the very special VdH line contact one. In the other side no matters what if you have a hollow tube of any metal and you hit it it will sounds to " lively " against the same solid metal tube when you hit it: here the sound will be a little " dull . The " lively " sound are only higher resonances/vibrations that means higher distortions and that’s exactly what you are listening in your today sample. Not really better sound but a sound with higher distortions/resonances that the cantilever develops and that those cantilever tiny movements does not comes from the recording information in the LP grooves. The solid boron cantilever in the VdH work has way lower resonances and lower non-existent movements. Normally distortions sounds as more " lively "/edgy than when exist lower distortions that means more neutral not exactly rounded but neutral with better tonal balance. That you like more the " lively " ellptical tip more it does not means is superior to the one from VdH because is not. Was thank’s to VdH work that your today original cantilever/stylus works. I don’t blame VdH in any way because they fixed to me at least other 10 cartridges. Btw, I owned and own several Colibri VdH samples, I bougth always the very low output of their Colibri line: 0.22mv that are the ones that performs the best. Only with one of them I had a problem and was because my fault when the mounted Colibri fall down ( suddenly ) from the tonerm rest position to the platter/LP TT. I have to say that the Colibri rides too low and is very sensible to mishandling it even when we need to clean the stylus tip. If we do the clean with no full care about we can easily damage and suspension collapse but other than this the Colibri is a first rate performer and hard to beat. In other order of ideas those MAXX 3 and the whole room/system quality level performance will be benefitiated with the integration of two powered subwoofers and running the MAXX’s through a high pass filter. Not looking to chime about, only an advise. for the better. Yes the Elac is very good, I own the top one 896 thank’s to that MM thread. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
tzh21y How does your Sonus Blue Gold compare to your Pickering now ? There was another sample for sale on eBay just recently, if someone here on A´gon purchased it I´ll be interested in how it performs in his/her´s system. |
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