Adding a “safe haven” forum for discussion of tweaks?

Gravity, Atoms, and Time, are all impossible to explain scientifically, so they are snake oil. -- teo-audio

Gravity has been blind tested many many times. So much so that it is now built into our psyches as one of our inherent fears.

On another note, epiphanies are almost always triggered from external sources. Epiphanies rarely happen in an echo chamber.

Now, whether you subscribe to the 16 personality types of Myers-Briggs, or the Alpha/Beta model, or psychology's "five-factor model", how people act (on forums or otherwise) when confronted with disparate views is very predictable. And therefore, if someone understands the personality types they're dealing with, how you respond (or not) to them should be pre-determined. If someone is frustrated with forums and wants to withdraw because they're debating immutable personalities, well that's just Quixote-ish behavior. If you yourself are immutable, besides gaining validation, what are you doing on a forum? What can be gained by it? If someone is affected by what strangers on a forum think about them then maybe there are other issues. And if proving yourself correct over something  as monumentally unimportant as cables, or audio in general, drives you to the point of anger or escape, maybe we should find perspective in the one thing economist John Maynard Keynes actually got right - "In the long run we are all dead." And at that point the folly of applying so much emotion to audio beliefs will become apparant. Well, no it won't, but it would if you were still aware ;).

So, if someone wants to believe they can hear the difference green ink makes on a CD, hey, have at it. The most damage that can be done is a wasted $1.49 on a Sharpie. And it's not even my $1.49.

Now that is one sensible post!

@jssmith I do not think this thread was ever about the $1.49 sharpie…

I think it was more about segregation and not allowing an opposing view on the subject matter.

@tsushima1 all we hear is blah, blah, blah  goop, blah, blah, blah tinfoil hats, blah, blah, blah…you will never get your safe space and there will always be challenges to voodoo sciences.

Enjoy your day.

@jssmith I do not think this thread was ever about the $1.49 sharpie…

I think it was more about segregation and not allowing an opposing view on the subject matter.

Yes, I know. It's a metaphor.

Like i already said we speak of "tweaks" sometimes by ignorance about the method to implement an audio system in its rightfully controlled 3 working dimensions...

A tribal isolation of audiophile using matters of interest to each one "in a safe haven " to separate them from each other differences will make this audiogon with no more appeal for many....

i dont come here to speak only about audio, my system is finished and i dont need to upgrade anyway, i come to speak with friends and to speak about the music i listen to...

I also tried to create a thread about "seeing sound and music" which would be my thinking about acoustic in the philosophical sense, not tweaks about audio so much, but ideas and perceptions linked to sound and music vision...About acoustic feelings and acoustic perception...

I discovered why i was a bad musician , i lived all my life more used to perceive rythm and harmony than melody, with not much melodical memory but an increase power to perceive forms and dynamical shapes linked to block of chords more than to melodical line... My attention to music is related to spatialization by timing of some chords which appear isolated in my attention window like a geometrical form moving, a surface speaking to me like a human face...This explain why while many listened to beatles in 1964 i was myself immersed in ancient choral music to perceive these moving forms and speaking faces...

That explain my difficulty to sing correctly...No musical "ears"...No melody memory so much but a way to make sound visible to my internal "eye"...Probably it is the reason i dreamed to own a high end audio system for all my life...I succeed only very recently with no money invested...

My goal now is to create a philosophical adventure on this acoustical road and reformulate all philosophical history through multiple "tags" which punctuated our notion of what a sound and what a musical sound means in the last 2 millenia...and why?

Each tag would be also a revelation of the conscious soul history through the way evolve his sound attention and perception....

Sound is feeling and meaning in one.....

Meaning is too vast notion to be only a sign, the new philosophy is related to the POLARITY of meaning and sign...Meaning generate sign and die in sign...

The new phisosophy will be a Goethean semiotic not a Peircean one...

Peirce war ferociously  against nominalism all his life without knowing that his conception reducing meaning to sign was an ultimate  nominalist residual attempt and stance ...Goethe semiotic by contrast is non nominalist...

Because the morphogenesis of sound event is related to a perceived polarity and a genetical insecable polarity which resonate with our internal polarities ...Object and subject BECOME and DIE together... the environment is part of your body and your body part of the environment... There is no way to STAY external observer....

Friston called these polarities "Markov maps" using the theory of a great Russian mathematician...

Karl Friston is my new mentor toward a complete new revolution in science...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIu_dJGyIQI&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_CGFyisehOpLvbpDhdIe_ld&index=169&t=95s