Adding a tube amp is a good idea?


Dear all, 

Hope your 2025 is off to a good start! I am thinking about adding a tube amp. Particularly Audio Research ref S80. Nicely used unit can be had for a reasonable price so I am considering it. You can see my virtual system for a full list but my system consists of LTA preamp, Pass Labs X250.8 amp and JA Perspective2 speakers. Totally happy and satisfied with the sound I get from the system, but just want to have another amp for a different flavour. Do you guys think ref 80s sounds different enough, for better or worse? Let me know what you think. Thanks 

 

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The mcintosh has crossover tube 300 watt ss 600 all in one but is costly i bought used.tube for mid and high .ss for woffers.enjoy the music.

My experience with tubes is that they are addictive . They are like a warm hot chocolate on a cold day, or a banana split on a summer day. Indulgence and comfort. A 1953 Cadillac Eldorado.

About your speakers and desired tube amps, below are two snippets from other published sources, that being Stereophile Magazine on the first, and ARC's own website on the 80S amp.  

Turning to the Perspective2's measured performance, my estimate of the new speaker's voltage sensitivity was 83.6dB(B)/2.83V/m, which is within experimental error of the original Perspective's 84dB. This is low, but the Perspective2's plot of impedance magnitude and electrical phase against frequency (fig.1) suggest that the speaker is an easy load for the partnering amplifier to drive

The 80S was created for the music lover who does not require the output power of its larger siblings, the Reference 160S stereo and 160M mono amplifiers. The 80S continues the design ethos, including dual GhostMeters® that float in front of four KT150 output tubes. Extruded panels, a vital part of the all-aluminum chassis, provide rigidity and beauty.

To state the obvious, 84 dB efficiency is on the low end of being a friendly speaker.  In fact, your speaker, does not seem "amp friendly ". As for your desired amp, it uses Tung Sol KT 150 tubes, which is a big honkin power tube, so that's good.  If you're going to pick an amp with descent power, 80 or so watts per channel seems okay.  Will 80 watts be enough to drive an 84 dB speaker?  I think that depends on how you like to listen to music; 80 watts via KT 150s has some oomph behind it, but if you want concert levels of volume, I don't think you'll arrive at your destination.  I think that combo will play okay, and "loud enough" if you listen at a sane level.  

About where I'm coming from on this is a bit of my own slightly similar experience in that I have a similarly powered amp in a pair of Lamm ML1.1 monoblocks, and they're claimed to cook-up 90 watts per channel.  I absolutely love these amps, music through these are magical but they do have their limits.  I have two speaker pairs I use, a pair of Focal Mezzo's at 90-ish dB efficiency and a pair of Von Schweikert floorstanders at 92 dB sensitivity.  On these speakers, that amp works terrific; it plays pleasantly loud, not concert going level loud though, which some like.  Your speakers are less efficient than what I have.  At 83 to 84 dB sensitive speakers, I'm not so sure 80 watts is going to be enough, depending on how the loudness level you like.  It'll play yes, it'll probably play to an enjoyable high-ish level, but if you want to crank it when Billy Idol sings Rebel Yell at concert levels, even 80 watts from KT 150s will have their limit.  If you want loud, perhaps think about VTL's higher output amps or bigger amps from Audio Research.  Lastly, about tube amps, EL 34 tubes amps, do not play like KT 150 bottles.  You'll not get great warmth with KT 150 bottles.  You'll get ARC sound closer to neutrality in sound signature.  My Lamm's liquid midrange is something to behold, but it can't play to the dynamics my highly hopped-up Sonic Frontiers Power 3s using 8 @ KT 120 bottles per mono can cook-up.  Chris @ Parts Connexion says my modded amps are rated at 260-ish wpc.  These amps can play with oomph, and if you're looking to have that feeling of concert venue loudness, 260 wpc will get done, but with 80 wpc, I venture to say you will get polite loudness, which if that's your cup of tea, cool, but if not, look somewhere else.  

It seems to me you're looking to spend about $10,000 or so dollars.  That's a chunk of cash, at least it is to me.  You can get a lot of nice amps for that kind of dosh.  There's lots to consider; I've tried to touch on some major points.  In any case, I'm sure whatever you get will be the right amp, because it is you who made the choice!  Happy amp hunting!  

Regarding the power match between your speakers and the ARC S80, much would depend on the size of the room and loudness levels desired. They are not difficult to drive impedance/phase angle wise.

@panerai557 

Have you ever considered a Hybrid preamp and/or amplifier? You get the flavor of tubes and the power of SS without most of the heat.  My first taste came from an ARC SP9mkll.  It uses 6922 tubes for its input stage and SS for its output. (I still love its sound) And now I am using PS Audio BHK preamp and amps.  All three have tube input stages and SS outputs.

Just a thought.