Anyone been in contact with Jade Audio recently?

I have not thought of it like Jmcgrogran2. I simply find it hard to believe that cable differences can be quantified between zero hours and X hours.

In the case of listening to a cold tube component and then playing that same recording 30-60 minutes later, it is very clear how some of the edge is smoothed over as the tubes and other parts have stabilized. Is this the kind of change people talk about when they say cables need burn in? But even cold, it is clear as to the overall sonic signature of tube electronics component. Are people claiming this is not the case with cables? .... you can not judge them at all until a minimum number of hours? It all sounds kinda silly to me. Now matter how long you rub a copper penny, it does not suddenly become a gold nugget.

I do believe in burn in John, as I have heard it. I think it has more to do with the dielectric breaking in.

I don't believe in it to the extent that some do, recommending at least 300, 400, even 500 hours or more until a cable starts to work it's magic. I haven't heard this happen in my 30 years of listening. I guess anything is possible, but I still believe that a cable's sonic signature is pretty much established by 100 hours. Certainly enough time to decide if a cable has serious potential or not. As I stated earlier, I've found 90% of the burn in happens in the first 100 hours. You may get some slight change after that, but it won't be much, IMHO.

Darealjaydee, you seem to take any GG comment a bit too seriously, as if it were a personal attack on you. Maybe you should stick to the GG threads, there are a few of them out there. I tend to leave those GG enthusiasts to enjoy their euphoria on their threads now. I made a few comments on there when I was trying them. Obviously I was not well received there because my comments were not totally ga-ga. I do not mean to demean the GG cables or Steve, they are good cables (they do have gold in them), and Steve is a good guy, they're just not the best that I've heard. Obviously personal tastes and system synergy have a lot to do with this.

I found it less confrontational to just leave the GG thread. I've found the same with the VD threads. If my comment on their cables is not 100% roses, I am booed and jeered. Some cables elicit more passion, like the GG and VD. You don't find that kind of passion on other cable companies threads. Passion can be a good thing though, so don't take this as another assault.

If this thread bothers you, maybe you will find more peace by ignoring it. Just a thought.

Cheers,
John

BTW, I did make the same comment to Rick Schultz of VD when auditioning a pair of his Revelation speaker cables. They were used cables, but he offered me a 30 day money back guarantee. As the 30 day deadline approached, I was at about 125 hours, and though I did like some of their traits, I decided that overall, I had heard better, and wanted to return them. Rick told me that they may require more burn in, maybe 250-350 hours. I asked him if he would extend the trial period, but he would not. He said he normally doesn't offer trial periods with used cables. So I thanked him for the opportunity to listen, and shipped the cables back. Maybe that has something to do with my jaded (sic) behaviour towards exorbitant burn in times. Well that and the fact that the cables I do decide to keep do not change much after the first 100 hours.

JD answered my mail concerning the Vermeil Digital. So the man is still alive and kicking ! ;-)

BTW. I have VD Masters on trial and they advised 400-800 hours of burning in. Ofcourse this isn't possible within the 45 days trial. But I hope they will be flexible...

Wow... I left this thread for dead, only to come back a few weeks later and find it alive and kicking!

To answer Bobf's question the GG Revelations I tried ended up with about 200 hours on them. Apparently that isn't enough time, because according to Steve Brunelle they need 300 hours to completely settle. While that may be true, I have a hard time believing that cables can undergo wholesale changes in character between 200 and 300 hours! In my (perhaps limited) experience, I've had pretty good idea what a cable is gonna sound like after a few days... After that, the rest of the break in tends to manifest as refinement in sound, like a smoothing out of the midrange or a sweetening of the treble.

My experience with GG Revelations was that they sounded very "dense", compared to the Jade Vermeils, both in terms of the soundstage as well as temporally. I felt like sounds that were previously spread out nicely between the speakers all fell towards the center of the soundstage. I particularly noticed this with the bass. Also, like Jafox has described, I lost a certain amount of shimmer and the sense that sounds decay into a black background. But main reason I removed the Revelations before 300 hours was that for some reason they accentuated some treble hash that I had never experienced before in my system. Now that may have gone away with more break in time, but I couldn't stand the thought of having to listen to my system like that for another week! So I put the Vermeils back in for some respite, and I never felt like giving the Revelations another try. Perhaps I like the treble through my Vermeils more because they have Bybee filters in them?

That being said, just because the Revelations didn't work out for me, they have so much positive feedback and Steve Brunelle is such a great guy to do business with, I have no reservations in recommending that people give the Gabriel Golds a shot in their systems. I would just keep an open mind and try other interconnects as well!

As an aside, I don't understand why all these manufacturers who claim these exceedingly long break in requirements don't break in the cables themselves with a cable cooker before shipping! I know that the dielectric still needs to settle after the cables are moved around, but requiring a customer to put 2 straight weeks on a cable before listening critically is a bit much.

On a separate note: Mattheus, I have the Vermeil Digital cable with Furutech Rhodium plugs, and I'm very pleased with it! It replaced a Stereovox XV2, and I had no qualms selling the XV2 as soon as I placed the Vermeil Digital in my system. The Vermeil retained all the detail of the XV2, but the treble was smoothed out considerably. I didn't really do an A/B test between them because I just preferred the Vermeil! If you end up getting one, I'd be interested to hear what you think about it.

And another note: A fellow Audiogoner graciously let me borrow a pair of Jade Audio Pure Gold interconnects for comparison with my Vermeil + Bybees. And I just won an auction for a pair of KCI Silkworms... Once the Silkworms arrive, I'll post a comparison between these three interconnects!

Tomer

In my experience I've never heard any Gold cable sound harsh including the GG's,Stealth PGS and Siltech.
Maybe something else is going on?Bright room/equipment?just a thought I'll stay out of this thread in the future as there is certainly some disdain here for some reason