Are "vintage" DAC's worthwhile, or is this a tech that does not age well


Hello,
whether it’s worth looking into old dac such as
Spectral SDR 2000,
Mark Levinson No.35 (36)
or so Sonic Frontiers Sfd-2 Mk2 DAC.

Digital audio is the fasted moving, now improving category out there
Because to this day they have no usb connection or other options.
But is it necessary?
Or is it better to still focus on a truly time-tested sound?

(sorry for my English)
128x128miglos
To the OP and the question of whether it is worth it to buy a vintage, quality DAC - I would say yes if you can buy it for a reasonably low amount and/or it has been serviced and is in decent working order.  The early higher end DACs focused more on the tried and true principles - things like high quality power supplies (not wall warts or switching power), a heavy, inert  chassis, and the implementation of a quality analog circuit.  When D/As became a $99-500 commodity, these design principles went out the window and the focus was on the chipset and general architecture (ladder, R2R, etc).  The original designs put note emphasis on the “A” instead of the “D.”  Of course, a heavy, isolated, acoustically inert chassis is expensive, and good power supplies are expensive as well.  That’s why companies like Schiit and Denefrips focus more on the “D” side of the equation.

 There are current brands, obviously, that combine the state of the art on both sides of the fence, and they are predictably very expensive, and they sound great.  I’m listening to an EMM Labs DAC right now, in fact, and its mind blowing.  It replaced an also-good Lampizator DAC.  I was in the camp saying how great the Lampis were, how much smoother, etc - untilI got my hands on an EMM.  Steve Guttenberg reviewed the equivalent DAC from the less expensive Meitner line, the MA-1, and compared it with his reference, the Denefrips Terminator.  Basically he said there was no comparison between the two.

 So if you are game, it might be worth it to try either a really early, high quality DAC, or perhaps a newer (but still older) ~ 2010 EMM or similar.  You can get an early one for $3,000-$4,000 easily (compared to current ones at $16,000-$25,000). Much of the magic for a deep discount.
charles1dad,

Hi @dsper,
Given the diminutive size of the Soekris DAC I imagine the optional power supply is external. I would bet its use makes a positive difference.
I emailed Mod House Audio and Soekris in Denmark but so far no response about an external power supply. I searched both websites and did not see anyhting.

Dsper

@drew_k ,
"When D/As became a $99-500 commodity, these design principles went out the window and the focus was on the chipset and general architecture (ladder, R2R, etc). The original designs put note emphasis on the “A” instead of the “D"

This is so true! Too much talk about chips and specification numbers.
Your entire post is on the mark in regard to what really matters in high quality DACs.
Charles
@drew_k ,
"When D/As became a $99-500 commodity, these design principles went out the window and the focus was on the chipset and general architecture (ladder, R2R, etc). The original designs put note emphasis on the “A” instead of the “D"
I concur and corroborate...

Anyway i own a low cost NOS dac Tda 1543 ....

There is no limitations on any count imposed by this vintage designed chip re-used in his own way by a french designer, no audible limitations in my audio system WHY?

Because the acoustic controls of the room is way more impactful than a dac, and optimize your audio system putting it on an another level completely, especially if you  did not use the  harsh analytical sigma dac on the market....

But like i already said:

Acoustic is the sleeping princess in Audio, but all people are looking for one of the working 7 dwarves....

The marketing schenanigans are more powerful than basic science....And the audio superstition around the listening of music from speakers .... We always listen music from the room....It is the last and more powerful piece of the chain....
I have 2 vintage Enlightened Audio Dacs that I really like for cd. As with most older units they have only digital coaxial and spdif inputs- no usb. Not a problem as I use them for enlightened audio transports. I have a Topping and RPI4 w/HIFIBERRY DAC hat attached- and both sound great for streamed music.  A $10k new DAC may blow all of these away, but since I don’t know I am completely happy with what I have.