Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@fleschler +1

Amir decided to defend himself, his site and his view on the audio industry here as a new member while we cannot do likewise on "his" site.

That is a very good point, and on his site he even has his own moderator to get him out of the corners he paints himself into.

Amir,Thanks for coming here and responding in a level-headed manner.I do not agree with your approach to assessing audio equipment because I believe it is too narrow in its focus but I believe your intentions are good and your methodology is sound and professional.The idea is fine but like a lot of good ideas the enforcement becomes the problem.And that is the problem with ASR forum.There does seem to be a hardcore group of enforcers at ASR that seem to take delight in headkicking and kicking off anybody that questions the narrative.In my experience the worst of these are B.D.Woody,SIY and Jim Taylor.Naive objectivism has created a monster.Which is a shame.The topic deserves better.You deserve better.

It’s like wine tasting ... we can objectively measure acidity and spectrum analyze the exact chemical composition, still people will smell and taste different things.

The wine equivalent is the music you play. The right analogy is the glass.  Testing is to make sure your gear like that glass doesn't impart it's own coloration and distort the art.

Too bad it really doesn't work like that or home audio would truly sound like real live instruments being played, and it does not.

Please don't come to ASR and try to convince people the objective data, research and engineering is wrong because you heard or read about such things on the product. We know. We have heard you and others say it. Post that here. Not at ASR

Interesting attitude. Don't teach us, but we will teach you. Wonder how they measure emotions. As far as I know, no one can measure emotions. Nor can they measure how one person's hearing is different than the next ones. Science has not figured the entire human brain. We are limited with "what we know".

Also research is still going on as to why 2 people hear the same sound differently. There are so many articles you can look up on Scientific America and such sites. Hearing loss, internal/external ear structure, skull structure, etc leaves so many variables on the table that the "measurement folks" simply will not be able to measure - at least for now. For me, scientific validation is good and that is how humans have progressed. But keep your mind (and ears) open to new advancement and simply don't rely on measurements alone. You have a hearing sense that is NOT the same as anyone else's. It is impossible that everyone hears the same. If that were the case everyone would prefer the same genre of music.