Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

He has been here for a while. 19 different usernames.

I learned that @crymeanaudioriver is full of the crapola!

One thing I have learned in just a few short days

Human equivalent of malware. Here is the full list (maybe I am missing a few):

 

crymeanaudioriver

 

theaudiomaniac 

 

theaudioamp

 

deludedaudiophile

 

thynamesinnervoice

 

cindyment

 

snratio

 

yesiamjohn

 

sugabooger

 

dletch2

 

audio2design

 

dannad

 

roberttdid 

 

roberttcan 

 

heaudio123

 

audiozenology

 

atdavid

@prof:
" If I hear it, I am not wrong. No way! And you can’t bring ANY of your arguments or evidence that will change my mind!"

Here is the thing. A while ago I was looking around for a new DAC. I listened to about 8 and in no case was the cost of the DAC mentioned. I just sat in a chair and listened to the same music. One that I disregarded very quickly was the Topping. The mid range is shrill and fatiguing. When I mentioned this on ASR I was told I was wrong and thrown out. I heard what I heard.


I could not afford the DAC I liked best by quite a long way and ended up buying one that sounded/sounds excellent to me. Interestingly that DAC measures well in the minion’s list, but that had no bearing on my purchase. I also like others that did not measure well, and do have a fondness for the scorned R2R Dacs. Again I hear what I hear and am not about to spend money buying something because someone tells me it measures well. Plus I want something that lasts and is not going to break like the Topping because of poor quality control. (Funny that minion leader NEVER addressed that point!)

Interestingly, yesterday on FB one poster, (likely an escapee from ASR), posted that Amps that measure the same sound the same and that those with exceptional measurements are by far the best. There is one amp about which ASR members are wetting themselves at the moment as the best measuring Amp of all time. Yes it is ok. No I would not buy it as I find it boring. If your argument now is that I clearly like distortion, I have listened to the Mola Mola suite and think they are great. The same goes for the Kii3s and the D&Ds with their inbuilt amps and Dacs. They do sound excellent. Seriously? What a pile of horse manure

On another note, I do follow Erin’s page as well as a few others that rely quite a lot on measurements. None are as dogmatic as ASR and none of their followers as arrogant, rude and objectionable as Amir and many of the ASR minions.

No religion, you just have to believe in a higher power than yourself...maybe like Amir? 

I don't take everything Amir writes as gospel.  I've had various disagreements with him on his forum.   So I think critically about what I'm reading, and whether the arguments follow from the data.

On the other hand, I'm quite aware he knows FAR more than I do technically, and has tons of expertise in areas that I sorely lack.

I don't really find it hard to acknowledge when someone has expertise that I lack.

My ego can take it.

How about you?