Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@cd318

Dare I suggest it’s a simple matter of vested financial interests?

The subjectivists approach actively encourages consumers to spend, spend, spend ever increasingly large amounts of money on equipment and cabling.

Most of them usually include an ad hoc performance league masquerading as a buyer’s guide that always correlates with increasing prices.

Which reminds me of Robert Harley’s contention, not just recently but also from some years ago, that audio components follow his own law of increasing/accelerating marginal returns (as opposed to decreasing).

So, if you spend another 10%, you will be gifted with something that is more than 10% better in every respect (appreciating that this has nothing to do with the level of expenditure, rather, a comparison between two levels).

It is odd how the forks at ASR and Amir's Army of Flying Monkeys clamor for blind test yet none are done at ASR.

These flying monkey's also call Amir a scientist because he has a oscilloscope, voltmeter and REW. I own a chainsaw doesn't make me a lumberjack. 

It is odd how the forks at ASR ... clamor for blind test yet none are done at ASR.

Amir & Co. believe audio equipment can be evaluated without listening, so sometimes they don't bother to listen at all - blind or otherwise.

Those who clamor most loudly for blind testing rarely undertake such evaluations themselves.

@jerryg123 

@crymeanaudioriver and yet ASR is not doing any blind tests.

There are very frequent blind tests posted by members.  Here is a very recent one: 

His conclusion: "TLDR; NO DIFFERENCE could be reliably discerned via blind abx testing between the Hegel h390 internal DAC and the Chord Hugo TT2 under close listening in my listening room."

The problem with you all's claims about ASR seems to be that you still don't know what we do there.    

@cleeds 

Amir & Co. believe audio equipment can be evaluated without listening, so sometimes they don't bother to listen at all - blind or otherwise.

Those who clamor most loudly for blind testing rarely undertake such evaluations themselves.

As I just post, there are plenty of blind tests performed at ASR.  And tons and tons of listening tests by me.  I listen to every speaker, every headphone and every headphone amplifier and dac combo.  That is nearly half of what I review.  A count that dwarfs what everyone else does considering that I review about 250 to 300 products a year.

Really, if you are a fan of blind tests, then you should perform them and do so properly.  If you are not, then don't complain about how much we do it.  After all, you are not supposed to care.

Note that I am not demanding anyone go and perform blind tests.  They are time consuming.  But if you are going to make outlandish claims that go against decades of audio science research and engineering, and stomp  your feet that people believe you, then please, do the testing with your ears only.  Do not involve your other senses.  I don't know why this is such a hard concept for some of you to accept.