CM LABS Amplifiers, any opinions?HELP? ?

I had the chance to purchase a CM Labs 911 amplifier on Ebay and did so. I seemed to remember something about CM Labs being a fairly decent brand, but I can't recall for sure. Does anyone remember something about the company or its products? Also, how long have they been out of business? I seemed to remember seeing it at a hi-end store in the 80s but am wondering if I simply dreamed it up to justify my purchase. Somebody help!!
Try contacting A-gon member Ferrari about these. If i remember correctly, he had a collection of CM labs stuff and was digging up info on them. From what i remember about them, i think that the stuff was pretty solid, but that was quite some time ago. That is not to say that it won't hold its own today, just that it might need some TLC and simple updates in terms of higher quality parts. Sean
Yeah, I had a 911 back about 20 years ago. 150 wpc, weighed a ton. It sounded awesome to me, but that was back in the days when I was making the transition from mid-fi to high end. I loved to watch those big ole meters swing with the bass when I cranked that sucker up. I still have the matching ss pre stuck away in a closet somewhere. Looked to be bullet-proof, but a lightening strike cooked mine.
swampwalker: aha! you shoulda' had your cm pre in a faraday cage (like my listening chair). it might still be around today and worth millions (in argentinian currency, anyway). -cfb
Well shucks boys, it seems as tho I experienced a brain fart as I was composing my earlier post. It was the amp that went to audio heaven. Pre is still with us, altho unused for many years.
CM Labs 911 Power Amplifier.
Output power per channel (both channels simultaneously): 100 watts into 8 ohms, 60 watts per channel into 16 ohms, 90 watts per channel into 4 ohms. Total available peak power: 1.1 kilowatts.
Power bandwidth:: 10 Hz to 30 kHz +0, -3db (minimum) at less than .5% total harmonic distortion: 0 db reference at 1 kHz, 0 db at rated output.
Frequency response: 20 Hz to 20 kHz +/- .5 db; 1 Hz to 100 kHz, +/- 3 db.
Itermodulation distortion: Less than .5% at power levels between 1 watt and 100 watts equivalent single frequency power into 8 ohms load (60 Hz mixed with 6 kHz, 4:1)
Damping factor: Greater than 200 for 8 ohm load, 20 Hz to 20 kHz.
Overload response: Recovery from 100% clipping overload, 10 microseconds maximum. Automatic protection circuitry provided against short circuits, open circuits and grossly mismatched loads.
Input sensitivity: Independent level controls provided for sensitivity adjustment of each channel: Maximum sensitivity: 1 volt rms to 1.65 volts rms input required for full output in 4 to 16 ohm loads, respectively.
Input impedance: Greater that 50,000 ohms.
Hum and Noise: Better than 70 db below full rated output.
Power consumption: 120 volt, AC only, 6 amperes at full output, 70 watts no signal.
Solid state complement: 8 silicon output transistors (23 transistors in total), 2 zener diodes, 3 silicon diodes and 2 silicon rectifiers.
Overall dimensions: 14 3/4" wide X 8 1/8" high X 11 5/8" deep.
Weight: approximately 40 pounds.
Finish: Brown enamel and brushed gold anodize.
Hope this helps.
I have a 925 that i got about 3 years ago.straight off there was still brand new.I dont use it thou cuz i seem to smoke everything i put on it.way powerful.I cant find anything on the net about it.I do know this thou it's back when they were in madison county alabama.I had the paper work for it but i lost it.Can you help me with any info?oh there now called meteor light and sound.They don't make amp's anymore.
C/M Laboratories Inc. was an American manufacturer of audio electronics from the 1960's to the 1980's, named after the founders Chou and Morris. The current "CM Labs" that sells Control Surfaces and Audio Routers is no relation; it was founded in 1990 by Carl Malone. The original company ran out of money while developing a revolutionary digital FM tuner. They were later known as Audio International CM Labs, possibly after Geoffrey Hall bought the company.

Most of the power amplifiers were named after Porsche models (911, 912, 914, 920). Some amplifiers included "Jones" type connectors that made it possible to tie the loudspeaker into the feedback loop of the amplifier, especially for the Acoustron LWE-1 "Servo Motional Feedback" speaker, and later CM Labs own CM-15 speaker. (designer was Lewis W. Erath)

Audio magazine reviewed the Model 35D power amplifier and CC-2 Preamplifier in the February 1969 issue.

"High Fidelity" reviewed the CC-2 in their April 1969 issue; price was given as $225. "The CC-2, conceived as a no-frills but high-performing nerve center for a stereo system, achieves its design hands down. It strikes us as second to none in the separate preamplifier class of equipment." At 2 volts output, frequency response was 10 Hz to 100 kHz, +0, -1.5 dB. THD was 0.05% left channel, 0.04% right channel, 20 Hz to 20 kHz. IM was 0.02%.

CM Labs was a contract manufacturer of electronics for other companies, including Bozak before Bozak began manufacturing in-house. Production numbers weren't high; units tended to be built to order for customers.

In the Audio October 1981 "Annual Equipment Directory", the mailing address for CM Labs is given as P.O. Box 477, Albany, Ky, 42602 Before that they were located in Stamford or Norwalk or Danbury, CT. April 1969 "High Fidelity" gave address as C/M Laboratories, 327 Connecticut Ave., Norwalk, Conn. 06854


CC-2 $225 (1969)
CC-3 (MOSFET?) (ca. 1977) (Scott Dorsey on alludes to the phono stage being bad, and to possibly still being under a NDA regarding it)
CM301a (ca. 1981)
CM301ACX (includes CX decoder)(ca. 1981)
CM607 (ca. 1976) disco mixer, 2 phono/line inputs with crossfader, plus microphone input

Power Amps:
CM911 (circa 1966)
(the following are listed in the 1981 AED:)
(There's a review and discussion of the CM914 at Audiogon)

CM 15 Servosound Feedback Speaker System (listed in 1976 AED)


CM-604 active crossover:
2 way, frequency selection by 7 pushbuttons which combine to produce a large number of possible frequencies. Level controls for high and low-pass outputs, summed-mono low output and inverted mono output.
Frequency selection by knobs, level controls for outputs, inverted and non-inverted summed mono low-pass outputs.

CM540 - 10 band octave stereo equalizer, balanced or unbalanced, built-in pink noise, ca. 1981

(a turntable is mentioned in an audioasylum post, no model number or age was given)

CM Labs people:
Wayne Chou
Richard A. Majestic
Scott Dorsey
Geoffrey Hall III bought the company around 1977
Steve Zipser (National Sales Manager ca. 1976, 1977)

External information:

Wayne Chou talks about Bozak and C/M Laboratories:

"I read with interest the review on Rudy Bozak’s Concert Grands in the October 2005 issue. I had no idea that so many audiophiles where still tracking some of the vintage equipment – I had left the business sometime in the later part of the ‘60s. The only reason I came across this forum was because it was time for me to find a home for my own two Concert Grands which were given to me by Rudy in the mid 60’s (I am not aware of the magnet change later, but these must be alincos). And naturally, my pair would have been the first to have been bi-amp’d – but I still have the original crossovers, if someone would want to put it back the way it came. After that, Rudy finally offered bi-amp versions for sale.

I was co-founder and president of C/M Laboratories, Inc., (a contraction of the names Chou and Morris) and I had invented, and eventually patented, an output power transistor circuit that was impervious (for the most part – nothing is perfect) to short circuits and other transients (mostly from the bass of music – and if you like Bozaks, you were sure to pass a lot of heavy bass just to feel it in your body). Technically, power transistors were susceptible to a phenomenon known as “secondary breakdown”. Later RCA pirated the circuit and marketed it in a hybrid chip. And HH Scott, published a paper about how his amplifiers would not blow up (describing my invention without giving me credit or my permission to do so, either). Since I was very enthusiastic about sound reproduction, this circuit found its way into our first power amplifier, the 35D, which produced conservatively 50 watts rms/channel, with very low distortion, for its day. In developing the amplifier, I sought Rudy’s help – borrowing loudspeakers from him, as well as exchanging amplifiers for speakers when we went to shows and exhibits. Rudy and I became good friends. Through the four or five years that I was president, I had designed many amplifiers, pre-amplifiers, as well as combined units both for the consumer market as well as for the professional sound reinforcement and recording studio monitor market. I should add, that while Rudy designed the front panel of the CMA-10-2DL, and specified all the features he wanted in it, it was I who designed all the electronics for it, and it was C/M Labs who built it for him, hence the designation CMA. But he did supply the panels and the punched out chassis, as we specified it.

Though Rudy’s speakers were known mostly by the audiophiles in the consumer market, by the time I got to know him, most of his speaker designs had not changed – only, more or less, cosmetically. Most of the joint effort that we spent our time on was in promoting his commercial line of column speakers as well as helping him get started in the amplification end of things. We did joint projects – his speakers, along with our rack mounted amplifiers and pre-amp/mixers, at Lewison Stadium, West Point, SUNY, the New York Philharmonic trailer in Sheep Meadow at Central Park, various benefits with Benny Goodman, and so forth. It was the experience of a lifetime I will never forget. Although Rudy Bozak could be tough in business, he was a kind, gentle, and generous man. I will forever miss him.

I am still thinking of finding a home for my Concert Grands. So if anyone wants a pair, or knows of someone who wants them, please let me know. The first home I had for them sat them in a room 30 x 40 with a 12 foot high plaster ceiling. It is true – that they need the space for one to be able to appreciate their voice. They are currently being driven by my 35D for the mid and upper end, and a 911 (100 watts/channel) for the woofers, using a C/M Labs switch adjustable electronic crossover (of which very few were made – bi amping was not too popular, or well known, at the time). Still, after 40 years, I haven’t found a system I like better. Stood the test of time. But of course, my hearing isn’t what it used to be. Still, I get that great concert hall sound from the Concert Grands, never favoring one instrument over another, or making anything sound exaggerated or unnatural. The bass is tight, as it was too boomy and sloppy being driven by the usual tube amp. But it is not a matter of whether driven by tubes or transistors, as most non-technical people would try to romanticize the reasons, but rather by design of what is practical when using tubes or transistors. It just is easier to design an amplifier having output impedances where they are naturally there to begin with. Damping factor is the primary reason why transistors have that edge on controlling the loudspeaker, circuit-wise. Years ago I presented a paper on the importance of damping factor, and how it affects sound quality. Rudy and I proved that to ourselves through the many listening tests we made together. That was an exciting time for us. Eventually, he used our amplifiers exclusively for his own personal use and demonstrations, setting his McIntosh? amplifiers in storage. Today, everyone realizes that using heavy speaker cable will improve audible definition over using thin hookup wire. You cannot fake physics.

As a final note, C/M Laboratories, Inc. went the way of most everything – it was sold off to other investors who carried the line for a few years after the acquisition. We enjoyed a reputation up with Marantz and McIntosh?, but the Japanese imports were hot after US business. They had better finished panels, better control feel, all around better styling. The only thing that they didn’t have at the time, was the ability to reproduce audio at the highest level. But they were close, and catching up. At the same time, I was concentrating on developing a new FM tuner – I was warned that it would probably break us. And it did. But what a tuner. We had 25 orders from a show at $1095 (retail) a pop – FM tuner only, no preamp, no power amp. But it was the first consumer programmable digital readout (Nixie tubes) tuner, that did not require tuning (a crystal controlled synthesizer – unheard of in a consumer product, in those days), all solid state circuitry, linear phase bandpass filters, and a new all solid state linear detector (no discriminator to add harmonic distortion) – all specs (capture ratio, stereo separation, distortion, selectivity, 3rd order intercept, etc.) to exceed anything else on the market then including the famed Marantz 10b, the target to beat. The prototype/breadboard had been tested by a couple of reviewers, so we knew we were on the right track. Unfortunately, we couldn’t fit it all in a reasonably sized box (of all things), and production delays of all sorts kept delivery from coming to fruition. It was the closing bell to C/M Labs as we knew it. Thanks for listening.