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Comparing Wadia vs. Meitner

I believe that this represents the pinnacle of CD playback. Jerry, a fellow audiogoner was gracious enough to allow me to audition his broken-in Meitner CDSD / DCC2. In my system, the boxes were switched with mine, so they each had the same cables, power conditioning, power cords, and stand. Both were run directly into the amp without a preamp. My CD playback system includes the Wadia 27ix / 270se with the latest software and full modifications from Great Northern Sound. Also included are Elrod Statement power cords, a Hydra conditioner, and a Mana rack.

In short, I think that these are both excellent units. They are also very different in what they do. In my system, it was easy to distinguish between the two within several minutes. It probably comes down to personal preference in deciding which is best here. I’ll just simply say that I’m keeping the Wadia because I think it is a perfect match for my musical preferences, my system, and what I appreciate in music.

What I love about the Wadia is its ability to convey an (absolutely) astonishing amount of detail without being harsh or fatiguing. Not only is the melody and rhythm imaged with speed and coherence, but you can actually appreciate the musicians technique, the weight and color of the instrument(s), and the ambience of the recording venue. It simply presents a convincing image of a live event. The emotional quality is all there. You can understand what separates a great and (justly) famous professional musician from a pretty good one. Everything is properly proportioned, the soundstage is appropriate and believable, everything is audible, and the background is silent. From complex orchestral pieces and opera, to vocals, to solo instruments, I do not believe there are any weak spots. Again, it simply convinces and fools the mind into believing that you are sitting in front of the performance. I have frequented the concert halls, and I’d hate to say it but sometimes the recording is better.

I think that just about anybody could probably be happy with either of these 2 systems. Of course, curiosity makes us wonder if the grass is greener. I am just very content with where I am right now. I'd invite Jerry to make some comments when he gets a chance.

Rob
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mejames
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have been debating whether I should post this or not for awhile now I probably shouldn't have a feeling it's going to offend some people definitely. But here we go hang on.
I thanks to Frankg for bringing his Meitner stuff over we finally directly a/b compared the GNSC modified Wadia 861 se statement with speed off light modifications to the SACD DSD output of the Meitner DCC 2 converter/preamp feed by a Alex Peychev modified Meitner/Phillips 1000 transport both were fed through the dcc2 preamp so switching between units only took a few seconds to accomplish. well the difference was maybe 1 extremely small hair favoring the Meitner SACD performance over the Wadia's Redbook performance,mostly the difference was in top end clarity and delicacy but was very subtle difference and this was with the Wadia playing the Redbook layer of the same hybrid disks the Police and Diana Krall mostly. Now the difference between Redbook was so extremely slight it was barely audible ive heard bigger differences switching polarity on an AC plug orientation actually slightly preferred the Wadia but the difference was so close it really didn't matter. Also thought the Meitner preamp slightly degraded the Wadia sound to me. Really thought the Meitner was vastly superior guess it's really not all that it's actually cracked up to be. Justin Ingram
tireguy
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Justin in the Meitner's defense, you were using the modified phillips, which is a crutch instead of an aid. The CDSD takes it to a yet another level- everyone who has had the phillips and goes to the CDSD says the same thing.
henryhk
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Mejames: are u saying u heard very little diff btwn Meitner gear playing the SACD layer of a hybird disc vs Wadia playing the PCM layer? Really? Hard to believe. I haven't listened to the Wadia w/ the modifications but did so w/ the reg 861: no contest in favor Meitner for me at least. It was more transparent, more back to end depth, far greater decay, etc. Hmmm. Is it the modifications or is it the system compatibility? Have no idea. Strange. The diff btwn redbook CD performance should be smaller, I agree.
fsarc
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No offense taken here. I've owned both in my system long term and have no problems hearing which one is much better. For the record, I'm using the CDSD and my 861SE GNSC did not have the Speed of Light mod. Read my disclaimer above. It is silly to believe that because Audiogon member "X" (including me!) says he preferred one product over another that people should get offended or invalidates what they are hearing in their own system. If we all owned the same gear it would be pretty boring.
mejames
986 posts
 
hello Tim note Alex Peychev modifier Meitner/Phillips 1000 transport which Frankg says was a nice size sonic upgrade over the stock Meitner/Philips 1000 transport so it may possibly equal the CDSD performance?
Henryhk yes very little difference between the Meitner SACD vs. Wadia PCM performance. Yes I would definitely agree the stock 861 would definitely lose vs. Meitner Redbook and definitely SACD performance. The se transport is a good size upgrade and the GNSC statement upgrade is definitely very significant it sounds like a completely different player after modification.
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