DarTZeel Preamp


Does anyone have experience with the new DarTZeel NHB 18NS Preamplifier? A few 'Goners have commented on hearing the unit at 2005 CES, but I was wondering in particular if anyone has purchased one, or heard one in a familiar system or at a dealer for instance. Thanks.
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Herve Deletraz (Mr. darTZeel) sent me an explaination of why we had some problems with battery power initially that i thought i would pass on to those interested.

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Herve's message;

"this is ONLY for the pre-serial machine you have:

The preamp is always drawing battery current, even when the preamp is switched off. So when you received it, maybe that the batteries were severely drawn out due to no AC connections for a while. Restoring the full charge would take several DAYS to recover, so the problem you had with DC issues: Batteries were extremely low, much lower than the regulation threshold, so DC appeared.

Having left the preamp hooked on AC enough time has restored batteries so now you don't have DC issue when in battery mode (except that you still must turn the volume down when changing input source).

When you talk about "switching in battery mode", I suppose that you remove either the AC cord (edit; yes i do exactly that) or the umbilical, since there is no real switch to do that.
When the preamp has enough charge (after several days, or even a week), the power led will eventually goes off when the preamp is off. As long as the power led is illuminated when the preamp is off, charging is not completed and the preamp doe not run in battery mode until unplugging AC cord.

When not using the preamp it is very important to plug it on the AC again, or batteries will be drawn out again. In case of non use (unplugged) for more than 1 day (or for shipping) it is strongly recommended opening it and unplugging the battery connectors inside, located at the middle of the preamp, on the bottom of the main PCB.

When the machine is in battery mode, you can still hear slight difference when the umbilical in plugged or not, even if the external power circuit is fully switched off. This is due to some residual coupling with AC mains, but the difference is marginal. (edit; this means it gets even better).

The preamp you have is also suffering from all software bugs, so the use is not the most convenient one you could expect... My own sample behaves as yours, but with full software fixes. Battery behavior remains the same, but after some days they were charged, and provided I do not listen for more than 6-8 hours a day, they are always charged for the next day... I mean that a "standard" user can perfectly live with a pre-serial - debugged - sample... :-)"

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Herve also sent me info on how the production (commercial) units will work that i thought would be of interest.

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"All the following for the coming commercial release:

The new release will NOT drain current when off, and the charging process will be much smarter: always battery mode when switched ON, always charging when switched OFF. If batteries will go low during playback it will switch to AC mode, but if you will switch it off, you won't need to wait for the full charge before benefiting for battery mode: if you leave it for 1-2 hours off, you will have 2-3 hours on battery mode at power on, and of course more if you leave it off longer. No memory effect on batteries guaranteed, whatever the charge state. When leaving the preamp always on you will cycle the batteries continuously (about 8 hours charging, 12 hours discharging) and the total span life will be around 3 years. When using the preamp "normally", say, with quite intensive listening 4 hours a day and 5/7, you can expect a life span of 5-10 years (the figure is no more precise at the moment since we have to complete our tests; we think it is closer to 10 years than 5).

As most parts of the preamp will NOT be energized when the preamp will be off, it will take about 20-30 minutes to sound good. There is little difference, since small devices are much faster at right temperature than power devices.

This time, there will be NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL in battery mode with AC/umbilical plug removed or not. We will add AC relays in the external power supply, so in battery mode these relays will be activated, opening the AC circuit, EXACTLY as if you would unplug the cord: doing so would not improve things further, as you cannot better switch off a bulb you already removed from the lamp... :-)

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As for the sound, both machines are completely identical, and there is not a single component or layout change about the signal path in both versions. Differences will be mainly addressing the battery behavior, removing some remaining small caveats in the volume control command, and also a - hopefully - less directional, more sensitive IR receiver."

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i contemplated trying to explain the above myself but figured it would be better to just quote Herve's e-mail to me. however you describe it; the sound is miraculous.
Mike,great stuff,as the Dart combo looks like a very "long term" stable,low maintenance winner!

How about the ZYX UNIV vs XV-1s comparison?Very much interested in your take!Thanks,and best regards.
With the glowing reviews of ASR from HP (though of course, just taking things at face value, I haven't hear it myslef), the following of NHB, and positive reviews of the Sutherland phono amp, it seems there is common denominator: battery supplied power for the pre-amp line stage etc. Or is it just reading too much into things?
I have been fortunate enough to have the NHB-18NS preamp in my system for the last few days. In combination with the NHB-108 amp, using the 50 Ohm interface between the two, it is easily be the best piece of audio electronics I have ever heard. It has far exceeded my expectations which were quite high to start. It is so holographic, smooth, and "alive" that it's hard to quantify how much better it is than previous equipment I have owned or heard. The battery system has operated flawlessly so far. Can it get any better? Maybe- it’s only a few days old and there might be some additional break-in.

I think Hervé Deletraz is the best audio electronics designer in the world right now. The build quality is fanatical, the design radical, and the sound quality must be heard to be believed. It's very humbling to think your system sounds great until you put in a component like the NHB-18NS and it redefines for you what you thought was possible.

If you already have the NHB-108, don't even hesitate in ordering the preamp- it is a must have. If you own neither, order both and you will have the best amp/preamp combo on the planet. As always- this is just one audiophool’s opinion, but I'm happy as hell! Over the top actually. Thanks JT.
Like Fsarc, I just got my NHB-18NS pre-amp over this past weekend. It is connected to my NHB-108 amplifier which I've had since January via the 50 ohm interface. I A/B'ed the 50 ohm connection versus my 30' XLR run and it was no contest...the 50 ohm interface trounces it in every way just as Herve lays out in his white paper.

NHB stands for Never Heard Before and this is no marketing hype. This combo pre-amp/amp produces music like no other equipment I've ever heard or owned. It's as close to "live" as I've ever heard. Noise and artifacts are completely absent leaving just the music. The design and build quality are first class and the support I've gotten from Herve Deletraz and JTinn is the best I've experienced in my 20+ years in high end audio.

Yes, this combo is expensive, but if you're looking for the best possible performance then you must audition this combo. BTW, I can't speak for the phono stage performance as I'm just listening at the moment to a Linn CD12 CD player, but Mike Lavigne certainly can and has in other posts.

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