Dealers and exaggerated treble


I've been thinking about some negative experiences I've had at dealers over the past few years. I don't mean the dealer's were unpleasant, they were not. I mean that I heard bad sound.


In a lot of those cases, the treble was exaggerated, or harsh to me.


I'm wondering, have you ever heard really bad treble at a dealer, but then you hear the speakers elsewhere and they seem fine?
erik_squires
No, because the treble is above the room transition frequency. Unless you are in a tiny room with no porous surfaces (the walls are made of glass or something), the difference in treble should be from whether you are listening directly on-axis or on a different angle...and if the speaker has un-even dispersion the differences in position will be exacerbated. I’ve never heard a speaker that’s bright that isn’t bright in every other room.

If you have an experience like the one you mentioned, and the angle you listened to the speakers didn't change, assuming the speaker is normally not considered a bright speaker, another possibility is the speaker has an existing peak at a frequency that was exacerbated by some reflections that grated your nerves and so it wasn't actually bright, rather you were just bothered by a high q resonant peak that was made worse. 
Erik,

I haven’t had that particular experience, though I’ve heard plenty of bad sound at dealerships.

I suppose in your cases, the harshness could have been exacerbated by the upstream components or lack of acoustic treatment.

As you well know, many speakers have HF peaks; so do many microphones; and so do MC cartridges. A bad combination could be tough to take.

Mike


When I had my shoppe(early 80’s) in Winter Park, Fl; a customer wondered how my 10", two-ways might sound, compared to the Boston Acoustics, that a local competitor carried. He wondered if he could borrow a pair to take to their location. Came back and said they were terrible. I drove over there(never had, prior) and looked around, finding a graphic EQ, far removed(on another shelf) from the system), but in the tape loop (set to BOOM and SIZZLE . He tried the comparison again, switching off the tape loop, returned and bought a pair of mine, as a kit. Knowledge = power!
Having worked in a Mid Fi store for a period in the late 70s there were all kinds of tricks the salespeople played. 1st of all the salespeople were "spiffed" on certain products management wanted to push. They got payed extra to move these products so of course they made products that were not spiffed sound worse mostly by lowering the treble or hooking the speakers up out of phase not to mention spewing out all kinds of BS. Finally I developed a relationship with the highest of the hi end stores on my area were I can attest none of this crap was done. It was much more fun doing systems that you knew in your heart were the best you could do for the money with the equipment you carried. Then of course there was the equipment you did not carry.......................
In a lot of those cases, the treble was exaggerated, or harsh to me.
ALL of the dealer demos i had recently sounded bad. VERY bad. The problem is dealers dont seem to realise how bad the sound is. They dont seem to know the difference between good and bad sound. I would say a not insignificant number of audiophiles are exactly the same which is why we dont hear many complaints like this.

What speakers were you listening to?

Many of the dealers i went to were selling some of the most expensive speakers on the planet.