Direct Drive TT...vintage era....sleepers....

Looking at something like the Pioneer pl-530 or similiar with above ave sound, build and performance but not as well known...any specific models? Technics?
As much as I hope you get responses, as soon as they are known, prices for them will suddenly double. Maybe folks will email you privately with suggestions. Then we can keep those "sleepers" just that.

JVC QL-7 or QL-A7 for integrated turntable. For just the motor unit, then TT-71. Easy to use, great sound, and very reasonable second hand price. Sleeper!

Phasecorrect, go to KABUSA dot com and check out the technics upgrades he offers for the 1200.
The Technics tables have already been "discovered", but like others have said, I would look for the better Pioneer, Kenwood, Victor, Sony, and Denon tables. IMO, they are all "sleepers" and still quite affordable. (Well, maybe the Sony and Denon products have already been recognized for their performance and are priced accordingly.) The Vintage Knob website could give you some hints at what models to look for. Plus, T_bone knows them all. I particularly like the looks and build quality of the Pioneer dd tables.
Dear phasecorrect: I owned ( now is with my brother. ) the Pionner PL-630 and I can tell you I miss it.

It is very good and comes with very nice tonearm with a magnesium headshell that is very good too.

Here you have two options on it:
this one is on Mexican Pesos ( I think ) that are around 200.00 dollars.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Hi fellows, would the Micro Seiki DD 40 tt with the MA 505 arm fit into the recommended DD TT group as mentioned above?
Back in 1976 I bought a Hitachi P38, and it had great synergy with the top end Grado cartridge of the day (Z1+ or something like that), which today would be represented by the Grado Gold. This modest Hitachi had (with the Grado) amazing imaging and soundstage for the time, and also a great sense of pace and timing.

As much as I like my very tweaked up Technics SL1210 M5G, I haven't been able to get tbe wide soundstage and holographic imaging that the Hitachi had right out of the box--as I remember it.
A few months ago I purchased an SL1210 M5G in order to use my moving magnet cartridges more easily. It became a major PITA mounting and dismounting these cartridges on my more expensive fixed headshell tonearms.

In any case it's a very good table but the arm is simply average even with the KAB tweaks. Sadly it will never be anything more so relax and enjoy the music.

However, I love the 60 second cartridge changes. :-)
Violin, The Micro is an excellent set-up, but I would say that the value of that tonearm puts the combo out of the "budget" category for many, and the 505 is hardly undiscovered. None of this matters to your enjoyment, of course.
You should check out the vintage Kenwood DDs. The KD500 and 600 were giant killers back in the day. I used to see them with Black Widows, SMEIIIs and sometimes heavier arms more suited to MCs. This is the era that produced the LO7D. The ones with the white base that looks like corian, have a big advantage over the most wood base tables. It's a composite material with limestone and I think polyester resin. Whatever it is, it works.

The KD550 and 650 came with arms. They look like decent med mass arms but I don't have much experience with them. There are also a couple of less expensive ones with that base material. One is the 5070 I believe. It might have auto functions. I have a KD500. At the moment I have an Alphason 100S on there. I also have a 770D which is a nice table w/arm, but I had to modify the wood base.

I guess you can tell that I'm a DD freak. I used to have a Goldmund Studietto/Zeta. Anyway Kenwoods are pretty cheap and have great potential. If you find a 550 or 650 and don't like the arm, just put something else on there.

+1 for the Kenwood KD-500.

*3 for the JVC QL-7. Demonstrably better than the equivalent Technics or Denon.


Shortly after the original date for this thread, there was an early introduction to to Materials that can be used within the parameters of Audio Equipment, which have inherent properties that are seen to be very much wanted in relation to Dissipation and Damping of Transferred Energies.

Today the Materials referred to above, that are produced by a process where a  Resin Impregnated Densified Wood is the end product and which are supplied as a Brand Name, such as, Permali or Panzerholz (but not limited to) are proving to be a material that enables a DD TT, and other drive TT's to raise the level of performance that can be produced.

I am very familiar with these material types used on DD TT's and utilised for other purposes and the perception of betterment from it being in use is audible. 

For those looking to eek extra from their Vintage TT's, where the exchange of a Plinth is not too complex, I highly recommend the additional investment.

An individual does not have to go to a too great a expense to make this happen.     

Yuk to all of them. You are much better off looking for a decent belt drive table, even an LP 12 which everyone knows I dislike. 

Hilarious input…. funny that a certain VERY highly thought of cartridge manufacturer in Japan utilize a Denon motor on a PBN Audio plinth….

I prefer the DP-75 and 80 and Peter rebuilds both for reasonable $. Add isolation and you likely have a fantastic high end TT at affordable $.

have fun, enjoy the music and the journey…..

@Mr Tweezer says "YUK".

Note: All three common types of Drives for a TT, are all equally capable of creating a replay, where the users who adopt the drive method are making it known they are quite satisfied with sonic being produced.

I own all three drive methods myself and have very enjoyable musical encounters when either is in use. I have come to the place today where I use one drive type more than another, but do not show prejudice toward either. 

I am aware certain Belt Drive TT's from commercial entities today are utilising a  Resin Impregnated Densified Wood, Panzerholz can be discovered in use as a critical material to create a design for a functioning TT.

Recently Linn has made it known of their usage of Panzerholz on their recently announced £50K TT. 

Panzerholz if proving not too difficult to utilised, has a place to be used on a Vintage TT, that will surpass the earlier materials used.  

The JVC QL7 may indeed be “demonstrably better” than the equivalent Technics or Denon, but, if they’re likened to the QL7, they’d be in the category of mediocre, compared to the best of the vintage Japanese DD TTs. The QL7 itself is far from the best JVC. Anyway, this thread is 13 years old.