@prof- You seem to believe that studios don't believe cables matter. Some of the better/best ones and(apparently) some of the best artists out there, do. Otherwise, they wouldn't be spending the big bucks, having their tracks laid down, in those studios. ie: As I mentioned in an earlier thread- "Both Ocean Way Recording and Bernie Grundman Mastering have used Cardas cabling.(can’t swear to what they’re using now). Ask them, if it really matters to you! You may have heard of a few of their clients. ie: http://www.berniegrundmanmastering.com/hits.php and http://www.oceanwayrecording.com/about-awards.php Then, there’s also Chesky: http://www.chesky.com/content/about-chesky " Needless to say, Sledgehammer Blues(nee: Audioquest Recording), uses Audioquest cables. I own quite a number of recordings, from the above mentioned. The quality DOES surpass what's commonly available(not that I believe cabling to be the sole contributor). That's just a part of the attention to detail, that the better studios exhibit. In the above quoted thread, geoffkait(hope you don't mind) mentioned this(so, NO: good sound doesn't have to cost a fortune): https://www.audiomediainternational.com/recording/abbey-road-upgrades-studio-two-with-van-damme-cabl... |
One has to assume, some pros have better aural acuity than others. That probably has even more to do with the quality of their productions, than the cables they use. But, no doubt, still has something to do with the cables they choose. Most of my favorite recordings are from the likes of Bob Ludwig, Bernie Grundman, Joe Harley, Dave Chesky and Doug Sax(RIP), all of which take(took) great pains, to satisfy the ears of their listeners and clients. Not to be contentious, but- sometimes, The Twain do meet and the results are wonderful, though the percentages DO leave a major chasm. I wouldn’t mind meeting Twain myself(long as she wasn’t singing Country, that is).
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@geoffkait - Since you posted about, "pro audio" immediately after my post, regarding cables and studio use, I gathered that was to what you were referring. I couldn’t agree more, regarding compression, BUT- as far as, "all the old dudes": the first I mentioned(as well as the others) have avoided that huge pitfall. Matter of fact, it’s Bob Ludwig that’s been trying to get the industry and people in general, to understand how bad it sucks. A talk he gave at AES, regarding the Loudness Wars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMWUOCbWp1M If anyone remembers, "the good old days", he does. If you’re interested in producers that avoid compression, even on CDs, try the labels I mentioned, if you’re into their preferred genres. |
"Our ears and brain have very short term audio memory." ?? Some people must have one helluva time, recognizing who’s called them on the telephone then(sorry for your inability). A good man understands their own limitations. A wise man understands: everyone doesn’t share them. Can you tell if you're listening to Albert King, or BB King? I’ve been tuning my guitars, without any kind of tuning aid, perfectly in pitch, for the past 5 decades(+). Virtually all the EXPERIENCED guitarists I know, can tell you whether they’re hearing a Fender Strat, a Tele or a Les Paul, without looking and even what pickups are being used. Ditto, with drummers and real Turkish Zildjians vs Paiste vs Sabian. The same applies to hearing the differences in drum skins/heads(ie: Remo vs Evans and even the various iterations, within brands, once they’ve heard them). Such would have a hard time, if they couldn’t remember how their drums/guitars sounded, before the skins/strings lost their resonance. I could continue, but- if one has no experience in such matters, it’s impossible for them to(or, at least, unlikely they would) grasp the concept. So- it would be a waste of keystrokes.
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"But that is reality, audiophiling is a lot like wine tasting, the more you know you spent the better the wine tastes. So that means if you want your system to sound better, upgrade your cables and it will... I’m saying that upgrading your cables WILL make a difference if you want them to, it is purely psychological." I you actually believe that there's no difference between wines and what's perceived by those that can tell you, where a good wine was grown, the vintage, etc, "is purely psychological", you obviously know as much about THAT subject, as you do about Physics. Stick with your Ripple or Boone's Farm(not to mention: zip cord) and save your money! https://winefolly.com/review/how-to-taste-wine-develop-palate/ |
"Usually good engineers would have a technical hypothesis that can be measured.If we are talking about sound engineers (not EEs or whatever) simply selecting new cables because "they sounded better to us" then that’s just the same anecdotal evidence that any other audiophile uses to select cables. And anyone is susceptible to bias effects. " (1) Given that there IS NO metric given, by current science, OR any electrical engineering standard, by which we can MEASURE what exactly results in a wider, deeper sound stage, the natural bloom of instruments, more detailed/realistic/cleaner highs with less stridency(at the same time), allows for more separation between voices(better imaging) and/or whatever else, those of us that hear those improvements appreciate AND (2) given that the owners of the studios that have proven track records, of putting out superior sounding products to my, as well as many other’s ears(judging by their clientele and rewards), obviously agree that better cables matter: I’ll stick with OUR, "biases". (WHEW- How’s that for a run-on sentence?) My ears have served me faithfully(even saved my life in a couple scenarios), as well as made many customers and musicians very happy, over the past few decades and I trust them. ’Nuff said, and I don’t expect all those keystrokes changed anyone’s opinion anyway, so I won’t waste any more on this thread(was that an, "AMEN", I heard?). ps: As mentioned, it doesn’t have to be expensive!
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Naysayers + their objections =
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