Do chinese tube preamp/amp clones interest you?

Hm.

Wonder how many of you in this thread own Apple products?

Or any other items that are made in China?

Those who are presenting a holier than thou attitude should consider getting off your high horse if there is anything in your home/life that was made in China. 

Most likely purchased because it was cheaper.

Just sayin'...

Well I use a Triode TRV 845 amp.  Made in China, in the Line Magnetic factory.  Excellent build quality and sonics.  Bias has held rock steady for several years (I measure after each listening session).  

But- this amp is not a clone or a copy or a rip off of someone else's design.  It is an original design, created by a Japanese company, and built in China.

OTOH- There is undeniable crap coming out of China; ripoffs, theft of design, stolen product etc.   How many times have we read about a successful product that is made in China and sold by a reputable brand, then find the same product with a different "name" selling factory direct at a bargain price ?   In many cases this is the same or nearly the same product, being sold out the back door by "local entrepreneurs" or made in a different factory located just down the street from the authentic production line.  Western companies have learned to put their people on the ground in China to ensure that what is produced is exactly what was contracted for.  Why ? Because they learned that if left unsupervised, many Chinese companies will produce what they think the client will accept rather than what the client contracted for.

Everything that happens or doesn't happen is directed by the Party.  Western companies are required to "share" technology with local Chinese companies.  Chinese courts do not generally recognize western concepts of property law or prior use.  You would be surprised how many Western companies find that their Chinese market copyright is owned by some unknown Chinese company and they have to pay a royalty (!) to use their branding that is known the world over.

Several years ago, Apple and the Chinese Govt were negotiating over the sale of Apple products in China.  China wanted the ability to access  Apple networks, iphones and software at will.  Apple said no.  Apple executives were taken to an Apple store in downtown Bejing.  It looked exactly like any Apple store world wide.  All of the products were shiny, white, and perfectly packaged.  All of the products, the store- everything was fake.  The Govt made its point, and Apple quickly allowed access.

So no- I do not buy ChiFi fakes.

I am using and loving a 2003 Sophia Electronics EL34 A/B amplifier. Parts made in the PRC to U.S. (Chinese) owners specs and assembled in Northern Virginia. Previously I owned a Chifi Class A based on 6N1P outputs. The class A benefited from a $100 tweak. It blew up here in the U.S., after a bench tech error. Both amps sounded better than any solid state gear I have ever owned.

I used to have to work trade shows for my work selling our wares. Busses would would pull up and unload hundreds of Chinese people that would come over and start taking pictures with measuring tapes next to our equipment. They would grab all documentation and brochures. They were always polite, bowing and saying speaking Chinese then leave. We let them do this for a few years, not any more. We tell them to politely leave. So, no. I try as much as I can to buy as American as possible.

Thank you all for the comments, political and apolitical, it has opened my eyes to things that I don’t think that much about.

I owned an Audio Space EL84 mini int amp that was awesome and an EL34 GemTune GS-01 that was also very good that was probably a knock off of a Nobsound or vice versa. 

I’m just trying to understand things here - So the companies who design their own tube gear like Audio Space, Ming Da, Jolida, Cayin & others are ok, but the ones who are stealing intellectual property and making clones of US made products are not ok. But what happens when a guy is stealing Nelson Pass’s designs or 47 Labs designs and calling them gainclones or custom chip amps right here in the US? NOGAS, right? Or when guys modify an existing tube amp, is that not cool either? Is it cool if it happens here in the US, but not in Communist China? 

Well, it cheating is Uncool, than if this election doesn’t get overturned, than the good ole USA will have become extremely Uncool, because everyone knows that there was massive cheating going on!!! And if you are one of those who lives in your bubble of MSM propaganda and think there was no election fraud, then just STFU and go buy your Chinese clone/stolen gear.


Wow! That last paragraph was totally unexpected! I wasn’t expecting to get political & nasty here, but there you have it. Let’s move on.