Everything a crossover has to do ...


Gang,


In my continuing efforts to encourage informed dialogue, I want to talk about how much a speaker crossover has to achieve, sometimes simultaneously. A crossover is a component which makes sure that the right frequencies go to the right drivers. That is, tweets should tweet and woofers should boom. Otherwise no sound comes out the woofer, and the tweeter becomes ballistic.


So, with those basics out of the way, here is a not-exhaustive list:


  • Filter. The simplest crossovers are just collections of low and high pass filters. Sometimes just one. Filtering is described above: Getting the right signal to the right component.
  • Level match. Drivers all have different voltage sensitivities, so making sure the drivers are playing uniformly is important. Imagine only seeing red on your TV for instance.
  • Equalize. Most crossovers have some sort of basic tilt built into them. Sometimes through dedicated components, sometimes just by picking the poles judiciously.
  • Impedance correct. Either to make speakers more tube friendly, or to make the filters more effective designers may put in components to solve the impedance problem alone. This alone is not something you find in an active crossover.
  • Temper driver resonances. As an example, lots of mid-woofer designs, even very good ones, have a resonant peak above their useful range. A notch filter can take it out and make the low pass better behaved.
  • Phase match. Below, at and above the crossover point drivers need to work seamlessly. Poor phase matching can cause lobeing, notches and peaks you don’t want. This is also very important in active crossovers, but you can often use digital delays to enhance the ease of the design.
  • Baffle Step compensation. A type of EQ that is the result of the driver/baffle size and arrangement. Yes, active crossovers should do this as well.


The point is, designing a crossover, whether active or passive, is not as simple as often assumed. To design any crossover, active with analog devices, DSP based or passive takes tools and effort to do well.


I hope some of you find this informative, and encourages you to learn more, if not experiment on your own.

Best,

E

erik_squires

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Thanks @audiocaseevan

His posts were such a ramble I found it hard to find anything specific, but "hooray me."
RIMO :

What university did you use for the anechoic chamber?

And what you are describing hearing is more akin to comb filtering. What speakers were you listening to?

Erik
Hey there @RIMO,
Listen, I'm having a real tough time following your meaning.  First you post some really interesting things about crossover design and then you write that the best crossover is no crossover.

Aren't you essentially denying your own work?

Erik
Amateur application of bi-amping with DSP for example misses several critical functions that a good passive crossover performs.

The bad pattern of DSP crossovers usually goes like this:

1 - Set arbitrary crossover points, with extremely high slopes (4th or higher)

2 - Use global EQ to hammer the design into place.
I wouldn’t say amateur, I would say naive. I encourage everyone who wants to learn more, get the tools and ask for help from experienced builders.


I don't know if anyone noticed but I did not ascribe any sort of desirability to my list.


That is, I point out types of things crossovers may be designed for.


And so the trolls go hungry.
Hi @timlub!
Thanks for the kind words.


Those discussions are happening on Audiogon from time to time. When I wrote my post I wanted to stick to those things which are not arguable.


I am confident that D'Apppolito and Toole would agree with everything I wrote up there.


The target curves, quality of a type of filter, and component parts are all areas we can discuss but which fall far short of universally agreed to electro-acoustic physics.


Best,

E
Thanks @asvjerry -

I just described a type of technology and gave some idea of it's uses and parameters. It's physics, so I'm not really going to engage with the peanut gallery on it. It will be useful to those who like to talk speaker tech and DIYers, and drive the trolls a little nutty.
Best,
E
I have a theory that Kenjit and erik_squires are the same person.

That’s pretty rude, especially given I tried to help you find an amplifier. Is there a specific point you wish to make,


@mayoradamwest?

Or are you just being a troll because it's Sunday?