Focal 1038 be VS B&W 802D : mid-range

Hi Narut,

It is not clear to me wheather you refer to the current, i.e. diamond, or previous, i.e. D, lines of B&W, but nonetheless, if I were you I would chose between:

1) either the 800D (previous model) or 800 diamond (current model) in the case of B&W speakers. (The 800 models are significantly better than the 802 models; 800D is much better than 802 diamond.)

2) Focal speakers from the Utopia 2 or 3 lines. Again, the Utopia speakers are much better than the Electra ones, viz. the Utopia models have a much fuller midrange (and this is especially the case when comparing old Utopias to new Electras). Here I would recommend Alto, Diablo with a sub or Micro Be with a sub.

Another speaker you might want to consider in this price range is Wilson Sophia 2.

Regarding Pkelly1504 experience, it is important to know what amp he used for the comparison. The Focals do not require that much power to open up, while in order to hear what the 802D can do one really needs to use either very powerful amp or high current amps, e.g. Accuphase class A models. My opinion is that with the right amp the B&W 802s (D or diamond) will easily outperform the Electras 1038 Be, but I can imagine the 1038s mopping the floors with the 802s when using the wrong amp.

Good luck and keep us posted!

Happy new year to everyone!
Paul

've had B&W CM7's setup mostly for 2ch, but they also served well connected to a HT system. For years, I used both a 2ch stereo amp, then switched speaker wires and used a HT receiver while watching movies.

It was time for an upgrade so the choices in my budget were 800 series B&W, Focal, Golden Ear, Joseph Audio and Legacy. Some were great, but I ended up getting Focal 1028be2's. Recently they dropped the price by almost $1K by using a less sophisticated finish on the wood, otherwise they are exactly the same.

The Focal's are great, and handily beat the B&W804d2. They have deep tight bass, a very "you are there" sound, stunning high's and a smooth midrange. They never sound "bright" or harsh, they just bring the music into your living room. They need some air behind the speakers, so don't place them too close to the wall or directly to the sides of your TV...give them breathing room.

Focal is very specific about setup procedures so if you read the manual, do the math for distances, and toe-in the speakers slightly so the the tweeter axis crosses behind your ears. I'd say in my room, I've got about 15degrees toe-in.

Other than a few megabuck speakers I've heard at shows or dealers, these speakers rank among the best sound I've ever heard other than live acoustic music or even amplified rock music provided you don't play them at 120db. Their dynamic range is incredible....they sound great playing with 90-98db peaks but mostly I listen in the 80-90db range.

Great Speakers!!!

I wish I lived near a Focal dealer, the times I have heard them they sound VERY clear.

"I wish I lived near a Focal dealer, the times I have heard them they sound VERY clear."

That's because they are VERY clean/clear sounding. Its that French sound, similar but not the same as Triangle. Its in protest to the old classic British/BBC monitor sound, which is much heavier. That old French/British competition thing I suppose.

Most popular US made/designed speakers are more over the place and in the middle but tend more towards that clean, crisp French sound as a whole I think.

It's funny, but a couple of people I conversed privately
with about other speakers that received a lot of buzz
mentioned out of nowhere that they really loved the 1038s in
auditions or at home.
I have a soft spot in my heart for the orignal JMLab Utopias,
which I loved at shows and never found fatiguing or bright
despite the Focal titanium tweeter? Are the 1038s like this
also?
Thanks