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Fremer lays an Ostrich egg...

From the start, let us say i am a little biased. i read with particular interest the review about the Levinson 53 Amplifiers in the current Stereophile, amps i currently own of course. i also have a Levinson 326S preamp, an EMM Lab CDP, and Von Schweikert VR9SE speakers, all linked up with transparent wire.
my previous amps btw were Levinson 33H mono's which i loved.
According to Mikey, the amps basically suck. no life. no harmonics. uninvolving. flat. they measure great for the most part, except for some anomilies outside of stuff the human ear can detect anyway. they are put together nicely too. But... they have a (dreaded) switch-mode power supply which i get the distinct impression MF decided ahead of time was going to screw up the sound. and so it did (i guess- who really knows what goes on in his head?) so every OTHER sentence in the review emphasizes transparency and dead quiet, neutral sound while the "meat" of the article states the amplifier doesn't have "heart and soul". the Absolute Sound did not reach the same conclusion, but did intimate the amps had an austere quality.
AND THIS is MY review- the ML#53's are not for everybody. they are DEAD NEUTRAL. they are DYNAMIC. DETAILED. my system COOKS when i put on a really good recording of a really good performance. if however the signal lacks in significant areas then I HAVE TO EXTRACT THE MUSIC out of the sound my speakers are making. if i love the performance this is easy for me to do. if i don't care that much about the CD, then it gets sold or just not played that much. other good attributes- the amps never get HOT, they are not impossible to move around (with a little help), they have protection circuitry that kicks in whenever the power goes out. AND FINALLY there is a pair of speakers they won't power up somewhere on the planet. i would like
to see them so i can warn people not to match them up. this could take awhile however.
it floored me when Fremer sold his SF Amati Homage speakers and got Watt Puppy 7's instead. He couldn't say enough good things about the Sonus Fabers, and yet he traded them for a much more analytical sounding speaker, probably for the super-detailed, super focused sound. His reviews of $$,$$$ phono stages are hilarious- what a set of ears he possesses!
when it comes to VPI turntables, he disliked the Aries but LOVED the less-accomplished Scoutmaster. I would guess the Classic-3 is pretty good as well, but i have 0.01% confidence
in M.Fremers' opinion of it. BUT i would welcome anyone ELSE'S professional opinion. At $6,000 it's not an inexpensive investment. add an SDS and a cartridge (and a record cleaning machine) and you're looking at $8500. If in fact VPI (and SO MANY OTHER TURNTABLES) have long engineered an OUTBOARD MOTOR UNIT to isolate noise and enhance the sound, wouldn't you want to know EXACTLY what the deal is with the Classic line? i sure would, and i am a HUGE fan of SOME of VPI's products and i own several.
OTOH, i am a mere peon, peasant, ignorant on the subject of SOTA Analog, and whatever other descripion you might want to label me with. But i think i can say my opinions are consistent and follow a logical pattern.
trying to detect that quality from M.F.'s writings is difficult and at times impossible. and yes, even laughable. i myself have owned (over a long period of time) Levinson, Krell, S. Faber, Pass, and Rowland amplifiers and listened to them in my own home. the ML#53's are very accomplished amps and represent some of the best solid state available, cleaner and faster than the ML-33H's that Stereophile liked so much. Yes they are probably better suited for classical and jazz, and hi-rez recordings are invaluable to bring out the best in them.
but they do not "sound flat and uninvolving". amps don't generally do that anyway- speakers do. Put on a Rachel Podger SACD on Pentatone of Mozart and/or Haydn (or Julia Fisher) and bathe in the warmth of
the sound flowing out of your speakers. Everyone (including ordinary people with ordinary hearing) who have heard my system thinks it sounds "really nice". That's good enough for me. I also think it sounds "really nice".
And i can be pretty picky.
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rfogel8
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When it comes to reviewers, my tastes coincide more with tube guys like Dick Olsher or Jack English, when he was around. I've rarely agreed with Mikey's tastes in electronics but wouldn't fault him for what he likes any more than I would someone who prefers SS over tubes; how can that be?

Given the choice between those dufuses at TAS(Harley, Valin, Garcia), or Mikey, I'm of the opinion that Mikey's evaluations are probably closer to the truth than some are willing to admit. Whether I agree with him or not, his reviews of vinyl/analog gear are normally entertaining and quite informative.

For those who criticize Mikey's taste in music, which seems to me, is quite varied, I've attended CES for many years and have often been in rooms where he pops in to hear one of his recordings played on an exhibitors system. Almost always, I and my friends enjoy what we hear and... it's played at a sensible level. I've also been in rooms where Valin or Garcia pop in and it's usually just the opposite. Not only do we often not like the music, but Valin cranks it up so loud that people start scattering like rats on a sinking ship; I'm not exaggerating! I honestly think the guy's going deaf.

As for the M-L review, I've heard enough of that brand to form my own opinion; I've always been underwhelmed so I'm guessing Mikey wasn't too far off the mark.
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rockitman
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Well said Grooves. I think you covered it ! Sounds to me the ML's don't stack up to the $50k billing....sigh
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whart
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I've been reading hi-fi and record reviews for... a long time. When M. Fremer popped into the thread and claimed that his writing is intended as 'entertainment' (albeit of the 'informed' variety), my first reaction was to say "Hey, wait a minute. You've got a journalistic responsibility to get it right. People hang onto your words, a bad review can kill a product, or make one... how can you take your task so lightly?"
But, after thinking about it for a while.... I think he's right. Here's why:
1. I'm more interested in learning what I can when I read these magazines- a glowing review, using all the magic audiophile words, doesn't really give me much information. I'm more interested in the process by which the reviewer tries to get at what the component does and does not do well than any ultimate and all encompassing conclusion about whether it is an A+ or C- in that reviewer's estimation.
2. All of the subjective evaluations are system dependent to a greater or lesser degree. Yes, you can suss out particular characteristics of a given component by listening to it in a variety of set-ups, but unless that review covers your precise system, in a room of pretty much the exact acoustic character of yours, it's all extrapolation- hints, insights, maybe some questions, but no firm conclusions. I doubt any of us would buy an expensive piece of gear based solely on a professional reviewer's opinion, regardless of how good that review or reviewer is. And of course, that doesn't take into account program material, let alone each listener's own biases (including but not limited to the reviewer himself).
3. Reviews can be voyeuristic to a degree- let's see what he/she (there aren't many 'shes' in this business) says about a component I own. And if you don't own it, it can be fun to read, just for the pleasure of learning a little about the component and one person's experience with it- somebody that knows their way around equipment and knows how to write clearly enough to make it worthwhile to read.
4. There are some bad writers out there, and some shallow reviewers- I don't consider M. Fremer to be one of them. I think he struggles with the process, and I like the fact that he focuses on analog equipment.
Fremer did not pay me to say this. I don't even know the man.
chadeffect
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I notice the OP has left the building. I suspect deep down he knows the amp is not as great as it should be. Those kind of amps don't sing. They dissect and maybe that review touched a nerve?

I'm glad Mr. Fremer piped up. Good for you Mr. fremer!
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syntax
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thanks to the explanations from Mr. Fremer we now know tha the word review is a Mistake. It isn't a review, it is a Product Placement, a Product Introduction or a "Opinion from Mr. Fremer about this and that".
the Magazines betray all their readers for a long time when they didn't publish reviews, they publish opinions.
No Problem, when a reader likes the opinion from Fremer (or others) about this and that, he can buy those itms. Who cares. Or for example, when Syntax prefers black faceplates because they sound better and this is his opinion, go ahead. Love him. When Mr. Fremer thinks, the ML is DEAD he is right. But that is not an opinion, that is fact. But on the other side he "likes" the Boulder 2008 Phonostage and that one is really D-E-A-D. A pain to listen to. Only bearable when someone offers money. My opinion? Or FACT? But probably there are differences for him about DEAD and D-E-A-D, specially in "opinions" from others.
So, let's go back to the core: Everyone deserves the Product he owns.:-)
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