good old tuners going obsolete


Well I didn't getting any feedback on my post about the Marantz ST-7001. I know it is one of many that will be the new wave of the future. Already radio stations are advertising that they are launching HD channels. Which means that if your using that much cherished - - - - - - - - ( fill in the blank with your favorite tuner ) you will not be able to pull in any of the HD channels, you will be limited to only the channels you are receiving now. And it is my understanding that some of the stations are already planning on putting different programing in the slot that is available to analog tuners. Of the high end tuners I have been able to trace so far, only Marantz and Magnum are making HD tuners. What I just can't figure out though, is why people are so willing to shell out big bucks for these analog tuners here and on ebay. They will soon be next to worthless :(
kt_88

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Kt_88,

Can you cite a source for your information that all OTA broadcast is going digital by late 2009? As a huge FM fan, I'd be very interested. Thanks.

David
Kt_88,

Although it might be "common knowledge" at Circuit City and Best Buy, here's what the FCC has to say:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-271699A1.pdf

Please direct your attention to the bullet, "Refrains from imposing a mandatory conversion schedule for radio stations to commence digital broadcast operations".

I read that to mean digital only OTA broadcasts aren't quite as imminent as widely believed. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

David
I'm not arguing that digital's not coming - it's already here. I'm just trying to get clarification on this supposed 2009 "deadline". So far, you haven't cited a single piece of evidence for it, and all the evidence I've found refutes it. If Congress passed a law, surely you can find some reference and point me to it. I'm sure others reading this thread would be interested too.
That certainly takes care of TV, but we're talking about radio here.

I just called the engineer at our local NPR station, and asked him specifically about a timetable for analog radio conversion, and he said that none exists. If fact, they're just now writing a grant for their HD equipment, and won't have it installed until mid 2009 at the earliest. He's not worried about missing any deadlines.

I asked him about sound quality, and he said that while the HD bandwidth is limited to 96k, it's an AAC stream and thus, just as Apple claims with their iTunes downloads, the sound quality is about twice that of an MP3 at the same bitrate. The problem will be when stations want to run multiple broadcasts and start splitting up the stream. The limit is 96k total, so the quality of each stream will be limited.

There is another station here streaming at 64k AAC+, and it sounds pretty good, not quite the frequency or dynamic range of the analog signal, but quieter, even on a good analog day. If stations will utilize their full bandwidth for one broadcast stream, HD might be pretty palatable. I fear, though, that commerce will win out over quality, and we'll rarely if ever see a full 96k stream.

I also find it interesting that the drop dead date for analog TV is 2/17/09, about a month after Bush leaves office. I predict that the first big act of whoever gets elected will be to stay the FCC mandate, and that analog TV (along with analog radio) will still be alive for a number of years. The marketplace will fix the time of death for analog broadcasting, not the government.

David
Kt_88,

Sedond is arguably the foremost tuner guru on Audiogon, and you choose to discount his input? You might want to re-think that approach. How about responding to my post above, where I present clear evidence contrary to your claims? Your 10+ years as a cable TV guy have served you well in that arena as your comments there are spot-on, but you still haven't been able to corroborate your allegations of a radio deadline.

Based on your explanation above, I have no doubt digital radio will have some significant advantages over analog, but that's not why you started this thread.

Sedond,

Indeed, I'm a regular at both places. I'm just glad Kt_88's information is incorrect, and that we'll be able to enjoy our analog signals for the foreseeable future.

I don't own a TV either - haven't for 15 years, but I've been listening to FM since I was 10, starting with my Arvin tabletop rig. I miss bakelite...

:-)
Kt_88,

I don't follow any of your arguments, and I can't follow your evidence since you haven't presented any, but I've decided resistance is futile so I'm choosing to believe you're right.

Got any analog tuners you're looking to unload? In my blissful ignorance, I want to be surrounded by many lovely glowing dials when they all go dark in Feb 2009. My quest starts today...

David
Macrojack,

I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough...

At least the stereo light will go off...

:-)

David
Geez Kt_88,

I've already started to hoard analog tuners, and now you tell me analog's not going away until 2012? They'll all be out of alignment by then...

:-)

David