Has anyone heard the new North American products preamp and amp?

Mapman wrote,

"All the good engineers i know think out of the box all the time.

All the the tech talk nobody can understand has no meaning obviously. The product will live or die on its value proposition and sonic merits like all do.

I agree with atmosphere that talking about things nobody understands does not do any justice. Just my two cents."

Pardon me for saying so but that seems to be an argument for limiting discussions to topics or subjects that are either common knowledge or understood by everyone, including the man under the bridge. If we limit what people can say to what someone believes should be easily understood by everyone then who will be the judge and who will be the jury?  If there is going to be a break out from the dull repetitive rehashing of the same old thing we must not constrain discussion to fit anyone’s preconceived notion of what’s allowable, what is and what isn’t scientifically possible or correct. What’s there to be afraid of? Stop trying to put everything in a box.  

No goats no glory

I agree.

I think after the back and forth so far in this thread we may have found a common understanding of the issue and hopefully some solution.

After all look at the attention being paid to the physical stabilization of cables and racks and of the chassis. Airborne  vibrations are a valid contamination in the system. We know that "tiptoes" and other spikes put under the gear help to remove or dampen the effects of bass and more from penetrating and returning to the path of the source. The rings placed on tubes to cut down on microphonics is another example of the pesky problem of physical instability. 

Low jitter clocks and the like in our digital sources again are all meant to  eliminate or suppress the damage done to the otherwise smooth flow if information.

We know that the unchecked tiny micro vibrations will limit the purity of the musical presentation. 

The key to understanding how it hurts the presentation is that it affects the [velocity] of the delivery system. IOW it is not just an interfering note or sound added to the mix - it is the fact that it is a mechanism of alteration or modulation of the base delivery method. Your image is [shaking] as a result of the vibration issues caused by the physical world entering the chain.

Unless you had very sophisticated lab gear to examine the actual micro vibration at work - it is safe to assume that we know it exist by the fact that calming things down physically is quite noticeable acoustically. You don't have to measure the tiny vibrations to know that they are there.

In light of the awareness of this "invisible bug" it is readily accepted as fact that its presence is destructive and that it will react to attempts (mostly by trial and error) to suppress it.

If you consider what I have found and were able to address as simply more dynamic interference caused by the improper handling of an analog signal traveling through an amplifier, then I think we are on the same page.

The most startling aspect of the analog "jitter" is how bad it is compared to other destructive forces caused by the physical world. The unstable velocity in the amplifier happens at nano-scopic levels (far below measurable levels). But again - knowing it is there and making attempts to catch it happening based on [theory] is no different than you placing lead weights on boxes and draping your cables over insulators knowing that you are blindly affecting the issue.

Once you can suppress the analog jitter, other physical work done to keep things "stable" are much more obvious because that is all you are left with.

Roger

No curiosity no discovery

Anyone is free to talk about whatever they want.  

There  is validity to the theory that any publicity is good publicity compared to none at all.  

Roger, I for one, have enjoyed you explanations very much. Thanks
for trying with the folks who are just trying to disrupt real conversations so they can be saying something, anything in public. Despite the fact that there is only 10 people reading the thread. Flies at a picnic.
Of course, hearing an amp is the only way to know how it sounds, and it is natural to ask questions. It is always best to listen to the answers instead of feigning incredulity.
I am happy to be wildly enthusiastic about you decades of effort and your inventions and have read the white paper a number of times. I saw nothing hard to understand... but I was trying to understand rather than looking for something to argue about in a rude manner, for entertainment! ??
Your further explanations left no doubt about the points you were clarifying. I appreciate your work very much! I carry an equal amount of distain for Trolls who crop up on every Topic with nothing to Add. 
Good news is that even absurd questions netted interesting answers.
Thank you Roger. I anxiously await your industry changing products to arrive at my home.

mapman12,861 posts02-27-2016 12:22pmAnyone is free to talk about whatever they want.  

There  is validity to the theory that any publicity is good publicity compared to none at all.  

True, however, wrong information is worse than no information. :)