Help :( Speakers making constant static sound I cannot figure it out


Speaker "whooshing" static sound

Other system setup photos for reference

So I linked to the video of the sound for reference.  It's been driving me crazy, so today I unplugged everything, took it all away from the console, cleaned it all nicely, and the plan was to, one by one, re-attach each component until the static returned, to try and isolate the cause.

 

Well, the only thing plugged in is the amp (Rogue Cronus magnum iii) and speakers (Focal Kanta 3), and the static is back.  It is a constant sound, there is no source plugged in, and the sound does not fluctuate at all when I turn the volume up or down, or turn the knob to change source, or even when I turn the balance all the way left or right, it seems to have nothing to do with the amp settings then, so where could it even be coming from?  I just checked the power tube bias and all 4 looked perfect.

 

TV is also unplugged, so there's nothing around to be causing feedback or rf interference that I can think of.

 

I don't have any other speaker cables to test against but did swap power cords between some components.  All cabling throughout is Nordost Heimdall 2, and is running through the Nordost QBase power distributor which has 1 each of the QK1 and QV2 plugged into it.  Main cable from the QBase to the wall is Shunyata as I needed a 20amp cord to work with that box and there isn't one in the Heimdall line.  Wall receptacle is a 20amp one that I installed (can't recall the make at the moment, but I believe I got it from a user on here some years ago.)

 

However, I tried skipping the QBase and plugging the amp straight into that wall outlet, no change.  Then I tried plugging it straight into a different outlet, still no change.

 

Based on the the type of sound heard in the linked video, and the details that it seems totally unaffected by volume, balance, source selection, etc., what do you think it could be?  Does it seem likely to be an issue with the speakers, speaker cables, or the amp?  At least that would narrow down how to address it.

 

Thanks for any helpful suggestions.

 

128x128chrisryanhorner

So a rep from Rogue who I’ve been messaging back and forth with is also stating that he thinks this is "tube rush" and that while some amount is to be expected with tube gear, the amount I recorded likely indicates that the center 12ux7 preamp tube is wearing out.

 

I used a phone app db meter to get a baseline measurement for the noise I’m hearing. I set the amp volume knob at 12 o’clock and took the measurement from as close to the speaker as I could without actually touching it [~50 db].

 

I got hold of a new set of just the same tubes that the amp ships with because I wanted to keep any new variables out of the mix for now, and I went through, first swapping in just a new center tube [~31 db], then checking noise again, then swapped the two other 12ux7 tubes [~41 db, higher?], then swapped in two new 12ax7 tubes and checked again [~40 db].

 

So new preamp tube had a measurable positive effect, then new tubes in the other positions had a lesser but measurable negative effect. Unclear on why it went up but happy to just leave those other new tubes out of the system for now.

 

Then I needed to add some source components back to confirm that the the amp was the sole cause of the issue, which I tested the following day. Plugged a Bluesound Node into aux1, and measured again, [~45 db], so close-ish, if slightly higher than nothing plugged in the previous day. Then switched to the amp’s internal phono, which doesn’t have a source plugged into it, but is set to MC/100ohm [~50 db], then tried my Parasound phono amp plugged into aux2, also set to MC/100ohm [~55 db]. The Rouge rep seemed to expect this as the result of the phono amp’s higher gain and that seems reasonable.

 

So now, I feel like I need to put the bad tube back in the center and get measurements with both sources, but the improvement, while audible, is not as much as I had hoped for, and I guess I’m wondering what an acceptable amount of "tube rush" actually is in an amp at around this level. I’m unclear I guess on whether I’ve addressed the issue as much as I can, and the rest is just the cost of doing business with tubes, or if I should press the Rogue rep to help me further investigate?

 

Additionally, if it is actually a factor of the tubes themselves moreso than the amp (not their age, but specifically the make/model etc.) and this could be better addressed by using different tubes than the stock ones, I’d love anyone’s personal recommendations (within reason, I can’t switch to ultra-rare $200-a-piece tubes just to shave off a few more db of noise).

 

 

[There was also a fun moment where I thought I had somehow made the sound much worse, but it turned out that when I was putting everything back after cleaning, I had tried a different layout where the turntable was between the phono and amp, but this put the cartridge too close to the amp I guess.

It caused a very noticeable hum that went away when I moved the turntable back over to the left side and the phono in the middle.

I’m also going to try to move the phono amp inside the console on an internal shelf since it doesn’t get hot at all, and this would leave much more breathing room between the turntable and amp, but I have to cut a hole in the back to run the cords through, so that’s a job for another day.]

Certainly sounds like tube rush to me, not sure I believe anything malfunctioning here. Tube audio equipment self generated noise variable, this level of tube rush may be normal or inherent to your amp/speaker combo. I have 104db speaker and both 300B and 845 SET amps, the 845 is noisier than what you have, 300B less. Rogue would be the best judge as to whether this normal tube rush or not, you've tried changing tubes and virtually no change, this answers that part of question, unless the exchanged tubes noisy as well.

@chrisryanhorner 

Why did you ignore @wturkey 's good advice above:

If the amp is using a 3 prong power plug, use a cheater to remove the ground pin to see if it is a ground loop noise. 

A cheater plug is only like $1.00 and eliminates a few variables.  If your amplifier is putting out enough noise that you notice it when listening to music from a few feet away after changing to all new tubes and it is not some kind of ground loop it is in need of service.