After 27 years I am coming back to vinyl . Should've never left ! Anyway , I would like to know if there is some kind of rating service , web site etc. that rates the different LP pressings. When I left , most everything was just the original cut . Now I see remasters , UK versions , Japanese versions and etc. I have some original albums that are just sublime and some that are , well not so much . I have heard three different versions of a Doors CD that were all bad quality . Does such a service exist ?
Onhwy61 ; The record grading thing is a good question . I have been purchasing some albums from Amazon who uses a rating system for the quality of the LP and jacket . So far I have received 4 albums all rated at vg(very good). The first two albums were what I would call average for somebody who takes good care of their stuff .The 2nd two were quite good for the disk itself but not for the cover or sleeve . One cover was worn more than some that I have obtained from thrift stores and another had what looks like coffee stains ! Both of these had torn sleeves too . While the first disc is very clean the other is loaded with finger prints ! I beleive that the grading system is highly subjective and is only an estimation . Sort of like the grading system used here but maybe not as contientious .
Why is someone's opinion of record quality anymore valid than someone's opinion about a component's sound quality? Does anyone really take Stereophile's class A/B/C/D grading seriously? A record gradings more accurate/serious?
Saki70 said: "Unfortunatly , I am not the only one seeking this info ! Trying to locate one of these primo copies is quite difficult if not impossible . And when one is available , it can be priced into the stratosphere !"
This is exactly why I am not a "collector." I refuse to pay ridiculous prices. Am I missing out on some really good sounding recordings? Probably. But almost always, there is a cheaper pressing available of the same exact recording, so one does not have to miss a great performance, and IMO, that is MUCH more important. And many times you can find them at reasonable prices, so it is good to be aware of which ones are the best.
Just wanted to report back... I took the suggestions and went to the links as well as subsequent ones listed there . They did do exactly what I was looking for . They listed the best , and often 2nd and 3rd best , copies of popular LP's . They also went so far as to list the bad copies ! Unfortunatly , I am not the only one seeking this info ! Trying to locate one of these primo copies is quite difficult if not impossible . And when one is available , it can be priced into the stratosphere ! So I guess the best deal is to just try to find a disk that is in as good of shape as possible .
No worries, Saki...none of the genuine respondents thought you were dissing CD at all. :^)
Neither was I BTW.... I will repeat the statement that selling a perfectly serviceable record library on the strength of powerful advertising and replacing it at great personal cost was madness and still is. My admiration goes out to all those who proved refractory to highly persuasive marketing and social prejudice. ;^)
As to online shopping, nothing wrong with that either. They generally describe the product quite well but this can be misleading on occasions. I've bought a few by this method but most are acquired by trawling the Charity shops which have really become Modern Record Shops. Their staff are becoming very organised and discerning at grading vinyl as they see this as a rich seam of revenue now. I'm delighted to support those charities in this way.
On the rare occasions I reject something it gets recycled back to the Charity Shops for free.(I only hope I don't re-purchase it! :D )
Generally the original one is the best (higher frequencies, tonal colors), of course, there will be always some exceptions but I never had a top Reissue from a inferior Original. When you have a very good Reissue, then the Original Master or Copy is also excellent. A lot of knowledge died when the Plants closed, based on that, lots of reissues are noisy, or can be silent, but then they can sound dead and boring in comparison to an Original. And indeed, sometimes CD's aren't that bad...
Find a good local record store. I am lucky to have a few in the Seattle area. It is more fun to thumb through the "bargain bins" thansearch for the best pressings of X.
First , thank you for your opinions and info . I did not mean to diss or run down CD's . I have some that are better than the LP's of the same album . Mainly what I am refering to is what I call 'compressed and lifeless' . This is what I was refering to above when I mentioned the three CD's of the Doors . I also have some vinyl that has the same characteristics . It tends to take the enjoyment out of listening to the music as it does not have any life to it . I will not say that LP's are better than CD's . They are different and more to my and my wifes liking . We could tell this right off when we fired up our new turntable ! Much in the same way that we prefer tubes to SS .
I started this thread to alleviate the purchase of undesirable LP's. While I can appreciate the excitement of the hunt for some of you , it is not always fun , exciting or even possible for others . Most of my hunting , these days , is done on line . Thanks again .
Moonglun totally agree, My respects for youd knowledge in the analog field, i just learned more than a few things.... Analog fan here even with hi end dac and cds on aiff. Nothing like the old pressing on harbeth with luxman via rega p5. Super
I'd like to believe gold standard should be audio reproduction closest to music performed live regardless of tube or SS or needle or laser or vinyl or compact disc - but your point well taken.
Airegin - you have a nice system. I wonder why virtually every high-end digital manufacturer compare their products sound like analog? Not all, but most. Maybe there's something to it?
Amusing the drone on forums and audio rags of the vinyl/analog superiority and disparaging of CD medium. Jolly too the backslapping of support elicited and received from that modest bunch. Well done! Go team go, we're #1 rah rah.
Steve Hoffman Forum (http://stevehoffman.tv/forums/) is my go-to forum for finding out about various pressings. A big community of obsessive vinyl fans over there. Fremer's Analog Planet is another good place to look, as is My Vinyl Review (http://myvinylreview.blogspot.com/) (though it is less frequently updated).
Very well stated by Moonglum. But I must say, that like different cartridges, tonearms, preamps/amps, speakers and cables, it's what oooos and aaaahs *YOUR* ears that will tell the story. Personally, I almost always prefer the sound of original pressings over the reissues. While there are those who latch onto the dynamics and clarity of the latter I usually find the former easier and more traditionally "tube like" on my aging ears---and frankly, more natural sounding too. So, prepare for a return to those "thrilling days of yesteryear". Happy hunting and good listening!
I agree, Saki. Replacing an LP record library with CDs was madness. (I did warn them in 1990 but would they listen? :D)
Not sure if you meant you had listened to 3 versions of a CD or 3 LP versions of a CD but if the latter I'm mildly surprised. I've generally found a lot of pre-owned LPs are of very marketable quality once they've been cleaned. Indeed many of them will sound better than some brand new LPs - even of the same era. As a rule I've always preferred the pre-1980s pressings because there was less risk of digital contamination in the mastering chain as digital recorders were developmental.
Pressing quality can vary depending on the condition of the stamper, whether it was at the beginning of a run or the end of a batch. Then, factor in the poor handling by the previous owner and it can lead to an unsatisfactory outcome even if the original pressing was a top 1971 example produced with brand new stampers. Unfortunately this means that the buying process is very much trial and error. Even if there are codes & numbers inscribed on an LP you can still end up with a load of rubbish.
Audiophile 180g/200g LPs are very much a mixed bag. With some, the mastering and production are impeccable, while others can't even get the hole properly centred with the label such that your stylus collides with the edge of the label!!! (Be alert!) Also you should be aware that the recording content or master tape may not even be the same one that produced the cherished recording, so well loved, from that bygone age. Compare e.g. Robert Fripp's LP "Exposure" with the CD version to be treated to songs which were clearly recorded at a different session or alternative "takes". Whether this is because they couldn't find the original master tape, whether it was damaged etc I can't recall, but it happens. (The CD version is actually a bit of a curiosity for this very reason. Interesting - but I won't go into that here :D )
The encouraging thing to draw from all this is that 2nd hand LPs are not a waste of time and a high percentage of them are well worthwhile - sometimes sounding like new. A line contact stylus will often evince a sound quality which the LPs previous owner never thought possible from his "old banger", featuring vanishingly low noise levels and unimpaired dynamic peaks. Similarly, even the most vicious and lengthy looking scratches can be completely inaudible on replay. If you do re-enter the fray it will be a voyage of discovery but one that only you can make. Hope this is helpful...
I think that if you just google "What is the best pressing of..." you should come up with a good idea. Trying to find a great copy of a record is part of the fun. Plus, there's a lot of new, re-released stuff that people have purchased and reviewed. Don't get crazy with it. It's supposed to be enjoyable, not a source of grief.
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