I admire Miles Davis, i admire Stravinsky; but i loved Chet Baker and Scriabin...You?


What we listen to we cannot trace always a border between cold or cool admiration and heart wrenching love at first sight....

I admire Bach without limit but i love also him dearly....Here admiration and love are one....

The first time li listen to Chet Baker i was not even sure if it was a great trumpetist, but i love him without knowing why....

More i listen to Miles Davis more i admire him but i still wait for love to come....I like it a lot but it is not love and i know the first time i listen to him why he is a great trumpetist, unlike Chet, his mastering of the instrument was evident.... For Chet i listen not the trumpet but the voice of his instrument, i even forgot he was playing the trumpet and the question if he was great was secondary....Miles was great without any doubts.... But i am in love with Chet because he touch my heart.....



Sometimes the frontier between these 2 are less clear, i admire Brahms but i like him more than i love him.... Bruckner i admire him like a new Bach and i love him like our old grandpa with a feeling that will never end....

I admire Monteverdi at the level of my admiration for Bach, but i like him only , it is not this passionnate love that changes my heart and life like with those i love...

I love Bill Evans dearly but i admire Keith Jarrett greatly but without any passion....

I admire and love Vivaldi at the same times.....

I admire Telemann, Haendel, Haydn more than i love them..... I am in love with Purcell tough and Josquin Desprez.....

I admire Hildegard the Bingen and i love her without words.... I am in love with the organ composer Pachelbel but i only admire Palestrina....

I admire Arvo Part very much, but am i in love? No....Excep perhaps for one or 2 of his work: Alina for example....I admire and love Gorecki symphony of tears but not much the rest....Only respect for the rest of his works....

I admire Arrau, Horowitz, many pianists but am i in love? No, but i am in total love with Ervin Nyiregyházi , Ivan Moravec, or Sofronitsky....

I admire the composer Sorabji almost like Bach but dont feel any love at all....Deep fascination and admiration for a genius  that never speak from the heart to the heart, only from his brain to my brain.... But what a genius ! 

I admire many, many, female singers, but i am in love with only a few, i love Billie Holiday, Marianne Anderson for example....

I will not go on with my list any longer...

But what speak to our heart and what speak to our brain is not the same and sometimes some music speak for us to the 2 part of ourselves...

But one thing must me clear, i dont want to live without the great musicians whom i only admire. I like them like interesting friends, even if i am not changed by love at first sight with them, swimming in the sea of adoration....


What are those you admire but only like ? What are those you clearly are in love with?

When the brain speak first and always, it is admiration and friendship not love.... In love there is a mystery in with we participate and which transform our life....

Those who we admire gives us pleasure.... Those who we love gives us not only that but an ultimate meaning that go to your heart.....


Listening music is learning to listen into the many levels in us where music can reach and transform us.... Each music or musician has this potential to change us at a level or at another one, or at all levels simultaneously....But for sure it is different for each of us......

I apologize if my OP makes no sense for some.... I hope my question will make sense for some....

Thanks......

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I got to say, though, that I’ve always found that my like vs. love selections do seem to change over time.
Very good point....

That make me able to say something very important: my thread questions are NOT about our tastes first and foremost, BUT about the way music affect our own evolution and our way to be conscious of that....I begin to think about this mysterious fact that there is musicians and composers that even if i admire them, i dont love them so much....There exist also musician that i love at first sight without being able to say in the beginning that even if i admired them in the first place...

Chet Baker was the best example of that for me...Is his playing a good virtuoso playing or a very elemtary one?
But is was also evident at first listening that Miles Davis was a giant to be admired and his playing virtualistic and creative, but i do not enter in a love story with him at the levl of what i sensed with Chet Baker, even after the pleasure of listening Miles often...

In classical music it is impossible to not admire Shoenberg, it is a true genius; but i never loved him at all; in the contrary i loved Scriabin at first listening without even knowing whats his music is all about....

I dont express that to express or glorify my tastes, i want to think about this phenomenon: Music changes our body and soul metabolism... How and why?


Then confronting different "tastes" and habits can be an  enlarging and a modifying of  our own consciousness....

Audio tastes or music tastes are not walker of a long way walk....But our evolution history in the understanding of audio and music are better road for the best hikers....And the beginning journey of a sea of deep questions....
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I’m old, it is late and I make a lot of mistakes but i’ll try.


The two composers I love with all heart are Bach and Brahms.


The ones I like very much are Haydn,Mozart, Schubert,Vaughn Williams,Sibelius,Rameau,Part,Puccini, , Janacek., Barber,Elgar,Grieg,Schumann, Dvorak and about 20 others.

I worship Jussi Bjoring . I heard him sing a lovely LvB lider on Armed Forces Radio , the first classical music I ever heard . It was bad day, a very bad day and it was like God had turned on a light in a dark room

to illuminate the world with light and pure beauty , I doubt if I ever would
have come to Classical otherwise , perish the thought !

Perhaps the most important is what I call my "soul cleaners’
Josquin Desprez, Tallis. Byrd., Purcell, Monteverdi, Carlo Gesualdo and handful of other early music  religious composers .




My hero’s in Jazz are Sonny Stitt and Mingus . A Sonny a day puts troubles away.
Also listen to folk music ,mostly Celtic because there is a lot more music
there than one might think and many great composers didn’t use it for no reason.
Cheers !



@schubert      Thanks Len that was a very illuminating post and it just lets us know what we have missed. 
What I missed were , R. Strauss, Brahms, Scriabin, Byrd, Rameau and a whole bunch of others.
@maghister  This is a very interesting thread and thanks for instigating it.

Seasons Greetings to all of you.
Jim.
Every thing you say is interesting Jim , always a treat !

What I did not say at 2AM is I still try to make room for the music I grew up on , American Big-Band which was THE American music .There are hundreds of people I love there , but one, to me, stands out .Arty Shaw , the great clarinet player and leader of a band that had more
discipline than the Royal Marines .If there is a better instumentalist I have not heard them .
Scotland forever !