Integrated with Phono Stage under $10K


I'm looking to move up in the world and get a great integrated. I want to simplify in the process so I prefer it have a phono stage too. It will be mated with ProAc speakers (Response 1SC currently, Response D28 in the near future).

I enjoyed the Manley Stingray I had, but it lacked detail and staging and was a bit noisy. The Red Wine Audio I use right now is awesome where the stingray isn't, but is not as musical. I want both.

Contenders thus far are:

Copland CTA 405
Gryphon Atilla
VAC Integrated (Current Alpha or older Avatar)

Comments from owners would be aprreciated. What else should I be looking at?
shazam
I've heard the Luxman 590A and 550A II with Devore 9's and both were great. The 550 is roughly half the price of the 590 (~5K vs. ~10K) and doesn't run nearly as hot (I could have fried an egg on the 590) so that was a plus. I heard the two in different rooms with different cables and front ends, so can't do A/B, but didn't think the 590 was twice as good. I hear the 550's phono stage vs. a simaudio LP 5.3 and the onboard phono heald up very well. It was maybe a touch less authorative in the bass, and the soundstage was a tad smaller over all, but considering you save 1500 on an outboard phono plus a PC and a pair of IC's, it seems an okay trade-off, if you're looking for convenience first. There are a lot of options on the Luxman that allow you to tailor the sound, and I found that very appealing.

I know that abouthifi.com listened to the Luxman 550A II with Proac D18s and found it a very good match. It should have plenty of power for either of your intended speakers. It EASILY drove the Devores.

The problem is that if you've heard a good outboard phono stage, it's hard to find an integrated (or preamp for that matter) that will have a better-sounding onboard stage. The Luxman, so far, is the closest I've come to this. The issue is that the phono stage doesn't have any loading options; it does, however, let you use MC or MM (I think, off hand, MC is 100 ohm and .3mv, so covers a lot of MC).

Some people have liked the Plinius and said it has a good phono section--I didn't find it to be to my liking. The McIntosh 6600 is actually a very good sounding amp, though it get's no press, but its phono stage isn't up to snuff. The Bat is a good amp with a decent phono stage, but I prefer the Luxman.

If you do get an outboard phono stage then maybe take a look at the Pass INT-30A, which I haven't heard but am dying to. I did hear the INT-150 extensively and have heard the 30 amp, and have a feeling the INT-30A will be a nice match, but what do I know! That or Luxman, which I am seriously considering buying.
The Accuphase E450 can be fitted with an internal phono card and its not bad at all.
The LFD Zero LE III can be ordered w/ built in phono stage and its good as well.
But I think the external ones will somewhat have an advantage over the internal built in ones though.
I have a Vac Avatar Super and it is very good and the phono is a pretty decent MM. As suggested above, you can do better with an outboard phono that is in line with your cartridge choices. At your budget, I think that the new Boulder integrated is within reach (but haven't heard it) and it doesn't have a phono.
What about the Classe CAP-2100 Integrated? List price is $6,000. I believe a factory installed phono preamp dual mono moving magnet and moving coil for turntables (a $500 upgrade) is also available (please confirm this option). I own the Ayre AX-7e Integrated amp and like it very much. Simaudio also makes several integrated amps in your price range.