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INTERNAL CABLING- Heres some choices, give me your two cents on these cables..... Please _

So here is what I'm working on.
The cabling in my Mirage M1's is 12 gauge zip cord, that has oxidized and turned green at the terminations. Problem is I don't have a huge amount of cash to spend on new cabling, as I've spent most my money on replacing the existing caps in the crossover, with Jantzen superior and Standard Z caps (theres like 20 caps in each crossover).  I need close to 50 feet for the two speakers and I only have 75-120 to spend on the cabling, this is a shoe string situation. I can't stand the idea of leaving the green cables in there.-

So here is what I have considered, Please let me know your thoughts on each of these-

1. Jantzen = Constructed of 2 conductors, 1 x red and 1 x black, AWG 17.

The Copper is oxygen free 99.9999% pure, solid core. Both conductors are individually polyethylene coated and padded out with stranded isolating fibres the wrapped in polyester tape and further encased in blue termoplastic casing.

My concern with the Jantzen is the size, its only 17 awg, My experience has been the Mirages are power hungry speakers and like big cables. I have big Tara Lab temporal continuum cables running them. Even the zip cord in side them is 12 awg, going 17 AWG makes me nervous. Any comments on this is appreciated.


2. Audioquest type 2, type 4, or G2, X2, Q2

Not sure if any of these are worth their cost. Wondering how much better the type 4 is than the type 2 or how much better the type 2 is over the G2, X2 or Q2.      audioquest.com/flat_series_bulk_spools/q2


3. Belden 9497- Dont know much about this cable, I have heard other people have had good results but not sure seems like the size isnt all that I would like.

4. Canare 4s11, again dont know much about these cables but I've heard a lot of good things about them for their price.

5. Ive looked at the Duelund, but they appear to be only sold in single strands, and the cost for the amount required.

6. Curious about Vandenhul  (VDH) cables, I am interested in the Snowline and the Skyline, However I haven't been able to find anything on these cables.          vandenhul.com/products/cables/speaker-cables


What I want to know is

1.  Has anyone had experience with these cables, whats your thoughts on them being used as internal cabling for a pair of Mirage M1's?

2. Is 17 Awg on the Jantzen cables big enough to effectively drive the 8 inch bass drivers on the M1's?

3. Has anyone used the the Vandenhul  cables that use carbon, whats your thoughts on their overall presentation, are they neutral, detailed, dull, bright, etc?

4. Is all the hype about using solid conductors over stranded true-?


As always thanks to all who give their two cents-



My system overall, 

Proceed Amp3 (eventually I will bi amp with a second one)

Proceed AVP-S

Mirage M1

Tara Labs temporal continuum Speaker cables

Audioquest Diamond interconnects

Musical Fidelity Vdac w/ J-RIVER (coming soon)







idahifi
idahifi OP
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Sorry for the little typo
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audioman58
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Having built and observing many others Supra of Sweden their awg15 
Is a excellent choice , 5-9s Copper then Tinned over each strand to eliminate 
Future oxidation. In Europe used a lot . I gave been using it for 5 years and is very 
Good and only $110 a foot excellent . One more thing the connection tabs in drivers solder is a horrible conductor. I use solid Silver connectors , and or Furutech Non magnetic Gold plated Phosphor bronze slide connectors. A much better Conductor.A Good Silver solder contains at most 5% Silver ,the rest lead ,Tin .
idahifi OP
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110.00 per foot is that correct?
timlub
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@idahifi


My audioquest speaker cables are Midnight +.... I also have my marcof cables an old set of straight wire and a set that slips my mind, but a highly reviewed inexpensive 12 gauge.
They audioquest are a very nice cable... I've only used the 5000 UE on internal wiring.  I had always used a ofc 12 guage multi stranded on the inside of speakers... The 5000UE gives a slight improvement from Lower treble down without any harm to the top end. the 9497 that you mentioned will do a great job from upper bass regions to the treble, its laid back, yet detailed, but beware, the 9497 is highly counterfeited.... The Belden cables are a huge bang for the buck.  I saw the Supra 15 ga mentioned above.... The Belden 9497 is a very similar design, it is a 16 gauge that is individually tinned.  That cable has a great reputation.  The 5000UE is a 12 gauge that uses a few solid core twisted cables, it is non litz and is Blue Jean cables Go to cable. When on a budget, these 2 should be on anyone's short list... shoot, even not on a budget, they are both solid performers that won't embarrass you. 
timlub
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Just looked up the Supra, Madisound sells it...
several wire gauge sizes,  from 15 to 12 gauge....$1.04 to about $4 a foot.
I have heard good things about this cable for years, but haven't tried it... For internal cabling, I would go for the Belden, sooo much bang for the buck, but if you lean toward the Belden 9497 for long runs of speaker cable, the 12 or 13 gauge Supra is a very good alternative.  The Supra and Belden 9497 cables should all be more laid back sounding than the Belden 5000UE. It is a stage forward, up front cable,  it never gets aggressive and its detailed... 2 different flavors.  Plenty reviews out there on the Supra and Belden 9497. 
I hope this helps,  good, luck.  Tim
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