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I have just read Art Dudley's review of the Quattro Supreme (Stereophile, October issue), a table spawned from the basic Teres design. (The friendship, then break-up of the original Teres group is also mentioned as a side story.)

I have no experience with the Teres but the Supreme - a design very similar to the Teres - priced at $6,000 got a "B" rating (actually meaningless, but someone's got to give it some rating because we are a rating-mad people!).

Why doesn't Chris Brady send Art a table so that he could at least give the Teres a good review and exposure?

Art's reference, the LP12, by the way, beat the Supreme in one area: PRaT.

Cheers,
George
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All,

It's my humble opinion that passing judgment on construction materials (wood vs. aluminum) is the equivalent of judging a vacuum tube outside of its circuit context. It's impossible to come up with any valid generalizations.

One might ask why I love the wooden arm wand on my Schroeder Reference and yet do not use wood in my 'table designs.

Simply stated, tonearms present entirely different challenges to the designer, with the most limiting materials constraint being that of controlling effective mass. Quite the opposite circumstances apply in turntable design, where you can turn mass into your friend if you do it intelligently and damp it properly.

The beauty of this situation is for the consumer. Since Chris and I follow the beat of different drummers, our products are different as night and day. The choices are aesthetic ones - both visual and aural. You will never be all things to all people, and it's foolish to try.

In a fair and thorough comparison, I'm confident that both Chris' and my best effort would handily relegate many of the S'phile Class B and Class A components to the trash heap. I'm hearing this from my customers, and I've performed demonstrations which have proven this to me. I'm sure that Chris has had the same experiences.

I'd really get a kick out of an after hours comparison at the Rocky Mountain Audiofest next month - involving perhaps a Galibier, Teres, Basis, and Clearaudio. I doubt that Chris and I would get any takers for such a session, because Basis and Clearaudio have nothing to gain. However, if enough attendees request such a session of one of the large exhibitors running Basis and Clearaudio (hint, hint), it could happen.

Regarding Art's review with respect to PRaT (and color for that matter), if you read Art's review of the Graham Robin from last year, you'll note that he is describing the Robin tonearm when he describes the Supreme. This becomes clear when he writes of his brief experience with the Schroeder Reference.

Truth be told, I didn't know that Art would get the article to press so quickly. The intent was to have him work through the Robin, RB300, and his Naim Aro. I was in the process of trying to hunt down the Naim rep to get a mounting pattern for Art's (quirky to say the least) arm of choice. The day I received the draft of the article was the same day I received his Rega armboard from my machinist.

None of this is to make any excuses, and my expectations were realized by getting Art (a low-mass kinda guy if there ever were one) to get all hot and bothered over my rig. Did I expect to convert him? Not in a million years.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
Of course, I have no control over this, but will be a happy participant in any after hours playing that may occur - to the extent that my back holds up.

Even if I were to come out the "winner", I'd be the first to admit that this proves very little - other than giving a general glimpse as to broad characteristics.

Everyone there will no doubt be punchy from all of the work involved in bringing the show to reality. Doing a quick setup in one room (and trying to figure out how all of these high mass tables can be sited on stands appropriate to their design) is likely to be unfair to someone and it's hard to predict to whom.

I would go on record however that the Clearaudios and Basis 'tables will be at the bottom of the heap. Sorry if I offend, but I'm unimpressed.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
Hi Doug,

I mounted the Triplanar this evening, but it was getting too late to fit a cartridge. Tomorrow night, I wear my shipping department hat, but may well fit a cartridge and take her for a spin.

I need to comment about the much overused (and overrated) PRaT. I think one needs to consider it in the same manner as one does soundstaging. By this I mean as an incidental result and not as a goal. If you do everything correctly, you'll get PRaT and soundstaging. There's nothing wrong with this. If you design for it, you're headed down a path of ruin. Similarly, if you buy with either of these sonic attributes at the top of your checklist, you'll soon grow dissatisfied and become a regular seller in the 'gon.

Go for tone, go for low noise floor, go for dynamics, but please ... for your own psychological well being, let the PRaT and soundstaging just "happen"

PRaT is one of those characteristics that can be faked by having a hot upper midrange (can you spell Linn?) which emphasizes the leading edge or instrumental attacks. Certainly, you can kill PRaT with excessive resonance, and I'm not suggesting that all components with a "hot" tonal balance will have PRaT. You can certainly can enhance it with frequency response anomalies however.

Soundstaging is similar in this respect - a big bass and boosted upper frequencies can give you an exaggerated impression of space. True soundstaging comes from components with a low noise floor which are phase correct - to the extent this is possible.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
And ... we can rest our backs after the heavy lifting and let Frank Schroeder do the setup. I'm sure we can con him into it.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
PRaT follow-up ...

Of course I was presuming tables with speed stability and immunity to varying stylus drag modulating their speed.

My focus was on 'tables which cannot have the kind of speed stability that a Teres, Galibier, Redpoint and Verdier have ... suspended decks with rubber belts.

From this perspective, their PRaT is a lie. If you can live with it, then be my guest.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
Gotcha covered. For everything you needed to know about tape splicing, sources for Mylar, etc.

Check my support page at:

http://www.galibierdesign.com/support.html

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
Nothing is perfect. Mother Earth, for example has a resonant frequency of about 7.8 Hz if I remember my numbers correctly.

Steel girders are elastic. Tape drive being perfectly rigid? You get the picture ... just a better approximation we all hope.

We're all just about hunting down these demons in ways we consider pracitcal but that others would consider to be madness.

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier
Hi Patrick,

I'm just now catching up after the Rocky Fest. Gravity never rests (old climbers' saying) ...

It's The Tape Center splicing block on my support page:

http://www.galibierdesign.com/support.html

One thing you need to be aware of is that the holographic Mylar tape has horrible quality control, with spools varying by as much as 3/16" in width.

I find that the easiest one to use with the holographic stuff is the Marker Tek because it has hold-down levers to position the tape.

With correctly sized tape on a good splicing block, levers are unnecessary. With the holographic Mylar stuff it's very helpful however

Cheers,
Thom @ Galibier