Even if wire and fuses have directional properties, this would make a difference only in non directional current circuits, i.e., DC. In fact, capacitors and inductors only work in AC circuits. If the fuse has some capacitance or induction property inherent to it in addition to the resistance property that it might possess, the direction in which is is installed will not make any difference since the direction of the current changes continuously.
One consumes power in the devices at home due to current flowing back and forth through the devices. |
Inpepinnovations: Good try.
GK |
Willster,
I was just trying to reply to Bob P. in the simplest conceptual terms.
As for his theory that fuses and capacitors can't sound different one way than the other, they unfortunately do. I have found that the vast majority of the engineer types who claim that things can't make a sonic difference, have never actually spent any time listening. |
Davemitchell, and those the vast majority of those who do 'witness' those sonic differences are often the same people who also witness proof that heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones!
If sonic differences are indeed 'witnessed' by changing the direction of the wire or fuse in an AC circuit, it is not due to the direction of the device, but due to some other reason, probably the fact that the connection was changed slightly during the 'trial'.
Bob P. |
Inpepinnovations, why do you persist in this nonsense? Once you have heard the impact of a better fuse or of the direction differences among fuses, then put yourself to work finding a test that would remove your doubts. By the way light objects and heavy objects fall at the same rate only in a vacuum. |
TBG, why do I persist? Maybe it is the 'educator' in me.
Your staement that all objects fall at the same rate ONLY in a vacuum is WRONG. Identically shaped and sized objects of different weights (actually mass) fall at the same rate regardless of whether there is a vacuum or not.
I think Galelleo demonstrated that a long time ago.
Take two basket balls and fill one with water and drop both from a height. They both will drop at the same speed.
You, however, might witness that the heavier one hits the ground a little ahead of the lighter ball and conclude that the scientific explanation is wrong or simply say that 'I know what I saw, therefore science can't explain everything'.
It has been proven over and over that the human senses are very unreliable.
Respectfully, Bob P.
PS. I have never heard a difference in fuses or proper wires for that matter, but I do hear a difference in sound when I move my ears less than an inch, so my hearing acuity is not in question. |
inpep, so your first statement was not sufficiently qualified.
Certainly you would not jump to the conclusion that since you can hear no differences with fuses that no one can actually hear differences. I know the lame argument that they are subject to perceptual bias and you are not, which itself is curious.
I guess this has evolved into an argument between educators.
Norm |
Inpepin - The objects fall with the same acceleration, not speed, professor. And the name is Galileo.
GK |
Since this is turning into a pissing match, I think I'll drop out. By the way, I don't participate in forums such as these so that I can be "educated" by those who think they know it all. I am here for sharing ideas peer to peer in a friendly manner. |
Willster, I don't see this thread as you do. There will always be people who do not hear the benefits of better fuses or off the direction of the fuse. There will also be differences of opinion about the best fuses. That is part of the hobby. I think you will find little consensus on anything discussed here. I am sure that Inpepin and I don't view each other as scumbags or ourselves as all knowing. |
Agreed, Tbg! And we have discussed this before. Also, yes just because I don't hear a difference, I would not jump to the conclusion that there is no difference to be heard. My problem is with the explanation or lack of explanation to account for the fact that others do hear a difference, when it is well known that subjective evidence (use of senses)is subject (pun intended) to error.
Willster, one learns nothing if there is no discourse or discussion or differences. I am always suspicious of unanimity in subjective issues, such as sound as perceived by humans. This is how myths are born and people led astray.
Geoffkait, I mind less spelling errors than errors in math. If objects fall at the same acceleration, they are also travelling at the same speed, acceleration being the first derivative of velocity or speed.
Respectfully,
Bob P. |
I suppose I could have been to hasty. The digression on Galileo and falling objects was starting to sound a little like a "mine is bigger than yours" discussion. That gets old really fast. So does someone saying that a person is stupid, deaf, deluded if they say they hear something someone else disagrees with. |
Bob P. What Galileo showed was that all objects are affected equally by the "accelerating field" (gravity). This acceleration is independent of the height from which an object is dropped. So, It's acceleration, not speed, that is the whole point.
Cheers, Geoff K. |
