Jadis DA 60 Integrated


Been looking at this amp and am curious what it is about the design that requires 8 KT88s to produce 60wpc whereas most other amps e.g. Ayon Spirit 2 require only 4 for the same or close wpc?
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I don't want to hijack this thread, but can anyone comment on the differences between the DA60 and the DA88. Both have similar specs.
Phaelon - The design pholosphy behind both of them is quite different, The DA60 is a Class A/AB design where power is key in the decision process, the DA88S (or my own DA50S) are pure class A designs (more recent models in the Jadis line) where the benefits of class A is important (more liquidity, better textured and relaxed presentation).

I am not saying that the DA88S sounds better than the DA60, it is just a matter of deciding the balance you are looking for in power and delicacy variables, any of them will serve you well in any system configuration and are great amps in the market by all means.
Thank you Flg2001. Not wanting to oversimplify things, but are you saying that the DA60 is the more dynamic of the two while the Da88 is more nuanced and refined?
Flg2001, where are you getting your information about the DA60 operating in Class A/B?

Jadis has always advertised the DA30 and DA60 as operating in pure Class A. The power consumption figures are listed as being the same as their respective counterparts, the DA50S and DA88S. I can't speak to the DA60 or DA88S in terms of bias with any authority as I've not measured them on the bench, but from getting my Defy DA30 together, it's Class A. Indeed, I was told by a fellow I correspond with at the factory that the Defy DA30 that I own (built in 1990), which is the original Jadis integrated, is biased the most heavily into Class A of all of the integrated iterations, and more reflective of earlier Jadis philosophy if you know what I mean. Overall, the DA60 seems to be mostly of the same mind (there surely are differences, circuitwise, some of which more meaningful than others), apart from doubling the tube count and upping the transformers considerably.

I'm not necessarily refuting you, but I was told the newer generation represents some tidy improvements in both circuit and implementation (for example, a more elegant and efficient selector control) as well as details which provide more optimization with the focus on using KT88 (and 6550/KT90) output tubes, whereas the older variety run very well (I would say optimally) with EL34/6CA7/KT77 tube types. The newer amps supposedly also run the smaller tubes, but for whatever reason, the larger ones are recommended. Anyway, I'm told these things result in what they like to call a more "black and white", as opposed to "grey", kind of sound - see my more clarity, detail, etc., and perhaps bit less romance and sweetness ala the general trend in high-end audio through the past decade. In general, as you said, more reflective of how Jadis thinking has evolved towards the current time.

Why do they offer both old and new product lines? Though I've asked several people, I've never gotten what I consider a good answer from anyone on that.